Marmmadog Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 Is it a waste to do a secondary build on French Battleships say tier 8 and up? Same with the Georgia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itwastuesday Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 I wouldn't. The small 100mm guns can't pen destroyer hulls without inertia fuse and with it do practically nothing to other ships. And their armor isn't good for close quarters combat. Also french battleships tend to have good HE and great ballistics. A secondary build for dealing with triangles isn't required. Georgia, dunno. Maybe slap both range increases on it and call it a day. Or don't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin_Simpleton Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 (edited) 4 hours ago, Marmmadog said: Is it a waste to do a secondary build on French Battleships say tier 8 and up? Same with the Georgia? I have a secondary build on the Wujing, which is an Alsace, that gets me lots of ribbons and such in Co-op. The build is not useful in Randoms Edited May 16 by Justin_Simpleton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aleksi111 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 French BB secondary build for me is more about getting the -10% Main Battery reload to kick in at ~12km 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel_Allan_Clark Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 Secondary builds for use against triangles are only useful on the German BC line and selected premiums that get really good secondary accuracy. All other secondary focus should be basically on ships that get good fire chance out of their secondaries (rate of fire and fire chance combination) or decent damage output from their secondaries (larger guns with better penetration and rate of fire) so that they can add good damage to battleships and cruisers within your range. This type of secondary setup though is usually not the ideal setup for a ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aleksi111 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 Didn't Japan OG BB line have cracked secondaries dispersion? The rest: Range RoF Arcs of Fire Not so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itwastuesday Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 3 minutes ago, aleksi111 said: Didn't Japan OG BB line have cracked secondaries dispersion? The rest: Range RoF Arcs of Fire Not so much I think some like Amagi? I'm going to build Bungo for secondaries action someday. Improved dispersion, some harugumo turrets. It probably sucks, but I don't care for the ship anyway so no big loss if it doesn't work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aleksi111 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 Found it! Blessed be LWM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevermore135 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 13 minutes ago, Itwastuesday said: I think some like Amagi? As a general rule, only IJN 140mm mounts have improved dispersion, with the other guns on the same ships having standard dispersion parameters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itwastuesday Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 1 minute ago, Nevermore135 said: As a general rule, only IJN 140mm mounts have improved dispersion, with the other guns on the same ships having standard dispersion parameters. What. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevermore135 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Itwastuesday said: What. Why? No idea. It’s simply one of those odd quirks that has been around forever, like Pensacola having S-tier secondary dispersion for some unfathomable reason. Edited May 16 by Nevermore135 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfswetpaws Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 2 hours ago, Marmmadog said: Is it a waste to do a secondary build on French Battleships say tier 8 and up? Same with the Georgia? Possibly. But that hasn't stopped me from doing it anyway. 🙂 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verblonde Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 Isn't the general consensus on secondaries usually words to the effect of: PvP: almost always non-manly builds are optimal (even, perhaps surprisingly, with most 'secondary' ships); manly builds are various levels of sub-optimal, but can be fun. PvE: do what you like. Personally, I have the bulk of my BBs built semi-manly (meaning I swap manual secs for fire prevention), which is a hoot against bots, and I rarely take BBs into PvP (if I ever need to, I usually pick a premium ship and make a special sensible captain for it from a spare high-point DD captain, or similar). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verblonde Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 1 minute ago, Wolfswetpaws said: Possibly. But that hasn't stopped me from doing it anyway. 🙂 This way lies Wisdom... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfswetpaws Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 1 minute ago, Verblonde said: This way lies Wisdom... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugilistic Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 Secondary builds (ie with modules and captain points heavily focused on secondaries) are generally suboptimal, even on some of the ships that were 'intended' to use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel_Allan_Clark Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 I actually got to use my secondary build on Midway against a Shimakaze player yesterday that didn't respect it and stayed spotted. My secondaries were out damaging his gun output...he did it because I was already low health, but if he didn't get a favorable drop RNG from my dive bombers (no hits at all from a fully aimed and properly targeted drop, Shima is narrow), he was going to lose that trade. The rate of fire from Midways secondaries is impressive. The short range is what makes them mostly unusable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethervox Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 3 hours ago, Nevermore135 said: As a general rule, only IJN 140mm mounts have improved dispersion, with the other guns on the same ships having standard dispersion parameters. 3 hours ago, Itwastuesday said: What. Why? 3 hours ago, Nevermore135 said: No idea. It’s simply one of those odd quirks that has been around forever, like Pensacola having S-tier secondary dispersion for some unfathomable reason. I have an 'idea'. It may be because the Iwaki Alpha has 140mm main guns. The Iwaki Alpha may be the odd quirk here. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Type_93 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 3 hours ago, Itwastuesday said: I think some like Amagi? I'm going to build Bungo for secondaries action someday. Improved dispersion, some harugumo turrets. It probably sucks, but I don't care for the ship anyway so no big loss if it doesn't work out. As a torp boat main, I don’t fear IJN BB secondaries at all. Their dispersion is atrocious. I’ll charge in close for a dev strike. German BB/BC, ehhh, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel_Allan_Clark Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 3 hours ago, Type_93 said: As a torp boat main, I don’t fear IJN BB secondaries at all. Their dispersion is atrocious. I’ll charge in close for a dev strike. German BB/BC, ehhh, not so much. German BBs aren't much more accurate...and getting hit by them doesn't do much damage. Definitely don't equate German BBs with German BCs. The accuracy difference is a big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlooky Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 9 hours ago, Marmmadog said: Is it a waste to do a secondary build on French Battleships say tier 8 and up? Same with the Georgia? French Battleships is a waste. They only have improved range, no accuracy, damage, or pen charcateristics make them worth building for. Additionally, French Battleships are a very poor platform for a secondary build because of their horrible plating which gets farmed by any German secondary BB or heavy cruiser. Georgia is more acceptable, but you can swap out Manual Secondaries for something like Fearless Brawler since her secondaries are already very accurate, and her guns are excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBTHEBALL Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 9 hours ago, Marmmadog said: Is it a waste to do a secondary build on French Battleships say tier 8 and up? Same with the Georgia? It's a waste on French battleships but on Georgia you can go secondary range captain skill and the upgrade module in slot 3 for another boost to range, you can pair it with FB if you'd like for a rank focused Georgia close range brawler build which I used to run. Otherwise on French BBs it's a huge waste and it's generally known as a noob trap. Hope this helps! - Boob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArIskandir Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 7 hours ago, Verblonde said: Isn't the general consensus on secondaries usually words to the effect of: PvP: almost always non-manly builds are optimal (even, perhaps surprisingly, with most 'secondary' ships); manly builds are various levels of sub-optimal, but can be fun. PvE: do what you like. Personally, I have the bulk of my BBs built semi-manly (meaning I swap manual secs for fire prevention), which is a hoot against bots, and I rarely take BBs into PvP (if I ever need to, I usually pick a premium ship and make a special sensible captain for it from a spare high-point DD captain, or similar). How is it Manly an automated system that does your thing for You? ... Is like saying an electric d!ldo is manly 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBTHEBALL Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 6 minutes ago, ArIskandir said: Is like saying an electric d!ldo is manly 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tfcas119 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 FR BBs: PvE/ops: Yeah, especially on Flandre, Alsace, or Republique. Note: IFHE required on Flandre and Alsace PvP: I wouldn't. Special PvP game modes like Convoy or Airship Escort: Flandre yes, rest better off German Georgia: PvE: Yes PvP: It could work, wouldn't flat out say no Special PvP game modes: It could work, wouldn't flat out say no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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