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according to world of warships new video   Friedrich der grobe was never built  

not for WWII but for WWI there was one 

SMS Friedrich der Grosse^[a] was the second vessel of the Kaiser class of dreadnought battleships of the German Imperial Navy. Friedrich der Grosse's^[b] keel was laid on 26 January 1910 at the AG Vulcan dockyard in Hamburg, her hull was launched on 10 June 1911, and she was commissioned into the fleet on 15 October 1912. The ship was equipped with ten 30.5-centimeter (12 in) guns in five twin turrets, and had a top speed of 23.4 knots (43.3 km/h; 26.9 mph). Friedrich der Grosse was assigned to III Battle Squadron of the High Seas Fleet for the majority of World War I, and served as fleet flagship from her commissioning until 1917.

Along with her four sister ships, Kaiser, Kaiserin, König Albert, and Prinzregent Luitpold, Friedrich der Grosse participated in all the major fleet operations of World War I, including the Battle of Jutland on 31 May – 1 June 1916. Toward the center of the German line, Friedrich der Grosse was not as heavily engaged as the leading German ships, such as the battleships König and Grosser Kurfürst and the battlecruisers of I Scouting Group—Friedrich der Grosse emerged from the battle completely unscathed. In 1917, the new battleship Baden replaced Friedrich der Grosse as the fleet flagship.

After Germany's defeat in the war and the signing of the Armistice in November 1918, Friedrich der Grosse and most of the capital ships of the High Seas Fleet were interned by the British Royal Navy in Scapa Flow. The ships were disarmed and reduced to skeleton crews while the Allied powers negotiated the final version of the Treaty of Versailles. On 21 June 1919, days before the treaty was signed, the commander of the interned fleet, Rear Admiral Ludwig von Reuter, ordered the fleet to be scuttled to ensure that the British would not be able to seize the ships. Friedrich der Grosse was raised in 1936 and broken up for scrap metal. Her bell was returned to Germany in 1965 and is now located at the Fleet Headquarters in Glücksburg.

never built eh 

the video  its comparing 3 T9 ships with a T10 ship

 

Edited April 29 by Gaelic_knight

[Sidelock]

I honestly dont understand your point.

The article clearly and explicity states about ships laid down but never commissioned. The video states at the begining None of the battleships mentioned in this video were ever commisioned in real life.

The FDG the video is mentioning is the Kriegsmarine H39 project that was laid down in 1939 but was never finished nor commissioned NOT the 1909 Kaiser class FDG (cant remember if she was built on 1910 or 1912). So the video is not really wrong. The H39 project WAS laid down but never commissioned.

If we go by your logic Lion was also built in 1910 as a battlecruiser, she even fought at Jutland and was seriously damaged. But the Lion mentioned in the video is not that one but the WWII project that began in 1938 after Japan didnt sign the London Naval treaty and the Escalator Clause was invoked. The project was never finished, hence never commissioned. The last British battleship was HMS Vanguard a ship with many characteristics of Lion and with older guns from HMS Courageous and Glorious.

Sovetsky Soyuz and Montana need no explanation.

10 hours ago, Gaelic_knight said:

the video  its comparing 3 T9 ships with a T10 ship

This bears no relevance as they are talking of laid down but never commissioned ships (in this case the only of the high tier Battleships that were actually laid down but never finished in real life) not about ships of specific tiers. They could had put the tier 8 Kansas (which is essentially a 1920 South Dakota) or even the tier 6 Normandie for comparison sake. Both ships had their hulls laid down but were never finished, hence never commissioned.

Edited April 30 by Sidelock

[Daniel_Allan_Clark]

I would caution folks though to never take a World of Warships history video at face value. Use it as a thread to go to actual sources.

Unfortunately, WGs knowledge of naval history is about an inch deep.

[Admiral_Karasu]

It does get a little confusing when WG picks names of existing ships (which they don't release even though I think they should) and 'recycle' it for a ship that was never commissioned, or even launched, or even laid down, or in some cases never even dreamed of. As such, there's nothing strange about several ships from different eras sharing the same name.

[qkarl]

HMS Lion

Nineteen ships of the Royal Navy have been named HMS Lion or HMS Lyon, after the lion, an animal traditionally associated with courage, and also used in several heraldric motifs representing England, Scotland and the British Monarchy. Another ship was planned but never completed:

• English ship Lion (1509) was a 36-gun ship of the Royal Scottish Navy captured in 1511 and sold in 1513.
• English ship Lion (1536) was a 50-gun ship built in 1536 and on the navy list until 1559.
• English ship Lion (1547) was the Scottish ship Lion, captured in 1547 and later lost off Harwich.
• English ship Lion (1557) was a 40-gun ship, also known as Golden Lion. She was rebuilt four times, in 1582, 1609, 1640 and 1658. After her 1609 rebuild she was renamed Red Lion, but this was reverted to Lion after the 1640 rebuild. She was sold in 1698.
• HMS Lion (1665) was a 6-gun ketch, also known as Young Lion. She was captured from the Dutch in 1665, sold in 1667, repurchased in 1668 and sunk as a foundation at Sheerness in 1673.
• HMS Lion (1683) was a fifth rate captured from the Algerians in 1683 and sold the same year.
• HMS Lion (1702) was a 4-gun stores hoy of 99 tons burthen purchased in 1702. A French privateer captured her off Beachy Head in 1708, but she was recaptured in 1709.^[1]
• HMS Lion (1709 hoy) was a 4-gun hoy launched in 1709. She was wrecked in 1752.^[2]
• HMS Lion (1709) was a 60-gun third rate launched in 1709, rebuilt in 1738 and sold in 1765.
• HMS Lion (1753) was a transport launched in 1753, hulked in 1775, and sold in 1786.
• HMS Lyon (1753) was a hoy sold in 1786
• HMS Lion (1763) was a cutter purchased in 1763 and sold in 1771.
• HMS Lion (1774) was a discovery vessel in service from 1774 to 1785.
• HMS Lion (1777) was a 64-gun third rate launched in 1777, best known for ferrying the Macartney Embassy to China. She was used as a sheer hulk from 1816 and was sold for breaking up in 1837.
• HMS Lion (1781) was a schooner purchased around 1781 and sold in 1785.
• HMS Lion (1794) was a 4-gun gunvessel, originally a Dutch hoy. She was purchased in 1794 and sold in 1795.
• HMS Lion (1823) was the pirate schooner Gata, built in Baltimore in 1820, that the Royal Navy captured in 1823 and took into service. She took part in numerous expeditions against pirates, recaptured some of their prizes, and captured a slave ship. The Navy sold her in 1826.
• HMS Lion (1847) was an 80-gun second rate launched in 1847. She was converted to screw propulsion in 1859 and became a training ship after 1871. She was sold for breaking up in 1905.
• HMS Lion (1910) was a Lion-class battlecruiser launched in 1910 and sold in 1924.
• HMS Lion (1939) was to have been a Lion-class battleship. She was laid down in 1939, but work was suspended later that year, and again in 1942. The order was finally cancelled in 1945 and she was broken up on the slipway.
• HMS Lion (C34) was a Tiger-class cruiser launched in 1944 as the Minotaur-class HMS Defence. She was finally completed to a revised design in 1960. She was placed in reserve in 1964 and was scrapped in 1975.

 

 

 

[Nevermore135]

3 hours ago, Admiral_Karasu said:

As such, there's nothing strange about several ships from different eras sharing the same name.

Or even the same era. During WWII the USN had a habit of commissioning new ships with the names of those recently lost in action. Case in point: the Essex-class Lexington, Yorktown, Hornet, and Wasp were all named in honor of fleet carriers lost in 1942.

[Guest]

12 hours ago, Sidelock said:

I honestly dont understand your point.

The article clearly and explicity states about ships laid down but never commissioned. The video states at the begining None of the battleships mentioned in this video were ever commisioned in real life.

The FDG the video is mentioning is the Kriegsmarine H39 project that was laid down in 1939 but was never finished nor commissioned NOT the 1909 Kaiser class FDG (cant remember if she was built on 1910 or 1912). So the video is not really wrong. The H39 project WAS laid down but never commissioned.

If we go by your logic Lion was also built in 1910 as a battlecruiser, she even fought at Jutland and was seriously damaged. But the Lion mentioned in the video is not that one but the WWII project that began in 1938 after Japan didnt sign the London Naval treaty and the Escalator Clause was invoked. The project was never finished, hence never commissioned. The last British battleship was HMS Vanguard a ship with many characteristics of Lion and with older guns from HMS Courageous and Glorious.

Sovetsky Soyuz and Montana need no explanation.

This bears no relevance as they are talking of laid down but never commissioned ships (in this case the only of the high tier Battleships that were actually laid down but never finished in real life) not about ships of specific tiers. They could had put the tier 8 Kansas (which is essentially a 1920 South Dakota) or even the tier 6 Normandie for comparison sake. Both ships had their hulls laid down but were never finished, hence never commissioned.

my point it they clain friedrich der grobe was never built  i was pointing out in the first line maybe not for WWII but there was for WWI 

[Nevermore135]

3 hours ago, Gaelic_knight said:

my point it they clain friedrich der grobe was never built  i was pointing out in the first line maybe not for WWII but there was for WWI 

The article/video is clearly referring to the H-class version of the battleship that is included in the game, just as it is referring to the in-game version of Lion at tier IX and not the earlier battlecruiser of the same name.

Your OP reads as if you are trying to make some kind of “gotcha” statement (“never built eh”), but WG never made any claim regarding SMS FdG.

Edited May 1 by Nevermore135

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does it matter @Nevermore135 there was a BB that fought in battle with that name 20 yrs prier just like @qkarl pointed out about LION