Schnitchelkid01_ Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 It is yes come to that time again when I get to pick my next coal ship that I want to get. The two that I have been interested in are the Agir and the Tromp. The Agir would be good because I need a special ship for Tier lX, all my coal ships thus far have been Tier X and I enjoy supercruisers. However I really love the Dutch Airstrikes and the Dutch Cruisers and I am really intrigued by the Tromp. The Tromp would also be another Tier X for the Anniversary Event and would get my extra SCs. For reference my first two Coal Ships were the Sherman and Napoli and I have the GK and Moskva from when they were Tech Tree ships. Which one should I get first over the other? Just looking for a second opinion and maybe some ideas I haven't thought of yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palestreamer Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 I don't have Tromp but Agir is fun. Very tough and hard hitting, but a slow turner. A good reward farmer for special modes like Assymetric. Iwami is another good T9 premium. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfswetpaws Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 1 hour ago, Schnitchelkid01_ said: It is yes come to that time again when I get to pick my next coal ship that I want to get. The two that I have been interested in are the Agir and the Tromp. The Agir would be good because I need a special ship for Tier lX, all my coal ships thus far have been Tier X and I enjoy supercruisers. However I really love the Dutch Airstrikes and the Dutch Cruisers and I am really intrigued by the Tromp. The Tromp would also be another Tier X for the Anniversary Event and would get my extra SCs. For reference my first two Coal Ships were the Sherman and Napoli and I have the GK and Moskva from when they were Tech Tree ships. Which one should I get first over the other? Just looking for a second opinion and maybe some ideas I haven't thought of yet. Personally, I welcomed the Agir to my Port when she was still available in exchange for 1 million FreeXP. I do like the Agir. I have not yet welcomed the Tromp to my Port. But, I'm not as enamored of the Dutch line as you seem to be. Tier-9 ships (currently available for coal in the Armory) that I have welcomed to my Port include the .... ~ Black ~ Neustrashimy ~ Halford ~ Agir ~ Azuma ~ Iwami ~ Z-44 ~ Pommern 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel_Allan_Clark Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 I have Agir...and it really relies on team support to be useful. Good guns in close...but hard to get consistent damage if you aren't in close. Being in close means you better kill what you are fighting quick...as your armor isn't good enough and your maneuverability is super cruiser like. You can easily survive the match, but you can't carry until the enemy is thinned out a bit. Late game she is very fun. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Potter Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 (edited) I have both Agir and Tromp. Tromp is quite fun, even for people who don't like DDs much like me. It's definitely unique in its gameplay for a DD. I prefer it over the Agir, which is just another cruiser with better, but not really all that great secondaries. If it was me, I'd choose the Tromp first just because of the uniqueness of it. Also, if you do choose Tromp, don't sit behind islands with it using your airstrike like I see some people do, lol. Can score pretty good spotting damage with it and the torps reload fast. 70 second base reload. Edited April 20 by Colonel Potter 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silence_CN Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Not much to add to the previous replies. The only thing that bothers me is the OP's question that I could translate this way : "Cruiser or DD ?". The only answer is : "What do you prefer to play ?" I got both and Ägir is a good german cruiser. And remember this word "cruiser"... for many people tend to forget this : it is NOT a BB and it can (very easily) get destroyed. But it has, as many german machines, good secondaries, good guns (though accuracy can be sometimes very dependent on RNG) and torpedoes (useful). Tromp is something very different : good camo, good torps with decent alpha, speed an reload, though you only one set of 3 per side. (you can not send 2 X 3 in one salvo) Planes are.. well, if you are better than me at this exercice (and it's not difficult),you'll manage to make hits. To be honest I only use them when I have to get rid of something hidden behind an island. And I suck at this exercize... But both can be efficient in their respective gameplay. Depending on your preferences. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchoolGaming_Youtube Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 7 hours ago, Schnitchelkid01_ said: It is yes come to that time again when I get to pick my next coal ship that I want to get. The two that I have been interested in are the Agir and the Tromp. The Agir would be good because I need a special ship for Tier lX, all my coal ships thus far have been Tier X and I enjoy supercruisers. However I really love the Dutch Airstrikes and the Dutch Cruisers and I am really intrigued by the Tromp. The Tromp would also be another Tier X for the Anniversary Event and would get my extra SCs. For reference my first two Coal Ships were the Sherman and Napoli and I have the GK and Moskva from when they were Tech Tree ships. Which one should I get first over the other? Just looking for a second opinion and maybe some ideas I haven't thought of yet. I only have Tromp and its really a DD like no other. Its not easy to play, pretty bad conceal, no smoke, turns like a brick, cant really sustain gunfights ............ But ..... If you learn to play "safe" and not suicide and also learn to lead Bombdrops which are a bit harder in this than Golden Leauw, it can be an Amazing ship. If youre kiting 2-3 BBs and just spamming Bombdrops and torps on cooldown you can melt them pretty easy, you hardly use youre guns. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocqueville8 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Agir is bland, frankly. The torps are nigh-unusable in Randoms, the AA is alright, the dispersion is worse than Azuma's, the heal is much worse than Azuma's, the HE DPM is much worse than Azuma's, she's a big target, the armor is ok but she's still a punching bag for BBs with 16'' and larger guns. Since you already have Moskva as a long-range HE specialist and Napoli for a brawling specialist, Agir would be a bit pointless imho. I know I haven't played mine in ages. Tromp, on the other hand, might by simply worse (no smoke, no heal, bad rearward angles...overall a poor package for fighting DDs), but the airstrikes are easy and fun to use. I've had multiple Witherers with her: if left alone to farm she can rack up 200k+ on BBs and large cruisers, no problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnitchelkid01_ Posted April 20 Author Share Posted April 20 I like unique experiences with my Coal ships so I think I will be getting the Tromp, seems like a solid ship to me! Thanks Everybody! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtle_Octavian Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Both are boring to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlooky Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 12 hours ago, Schnitchelkid01_ said: It is yes come to that time again when I get to pick my next coal ship that I want to get. The two that I have been interested in are the Agir and the Tromp. The Agir would be good because I need a special ship for Tier lX, all my coal ships thus far have been Tier X and I enjoy supercruisers. However I really love the Dutch Airstrikes and the Dutch Cruisers and I am really intrigued by the Tromp. The Tromp would also be another Tier X for the Anniversary Event and would get my extra SCs. For reference my first two Coal Ships were the Sherman and Napoli and I have the GK and Moskva from when they were Tech Tree ships. Which one should I get first over the other? Just looking for a second opinion and maybe some ideas I haven't thought of yet. I got Agir from the treasure event back in October. I've played it approximately twice. I've said this in another thread, but I already own Siegfried, Azuma, and Alaska for T9 large cruisers, all of which offer significantly more specialized and thus interesting gameplay. Agir is a mediocre generalist that doesn't excel in any field. I'd argue she's subpar in most regards. Since you already own many large cruisers, I recommend you don't buy Agir. I don't have experience with Tromp but I've heard mostly mixed things about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtle_Octavian Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Agir is very strong in brawls or ranked, as long as ships are the same tier. It's not a bad ship, just suffers with overmatch when uptiered. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBTHEBALL Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 14 hours ago, Schnitchelkid01_ said: It is yes come to that time again when I get to pick my next coal ship that I want to get. The two that I have been interested in are the Agir and the Tromp. The Agir would be good because I need a special ship for Tier lX, all my coal ships thus far have been Tier X and I enjoy supercruisers. However I really love the Dutch Airstrikes and the Dutch Cruisers and I am really intrigued by the Tromp. The Tromp would also be another Tier X for the Anniversary Event and would get my extra SCs. For reference my first two Coal Ships were the Sherman and Napoli and I have the GK and Moskva from when they were Tech Tree ships. Which one should I get first over the other? Just looking for a second opinion and maybe some ideas I haven't thought of yet. I remember answering a similar question on the official discord last night. Agir is not very good, nothing special. Just more bait for the german ship simps and such. Tromp while it's not very good, it is quite unique so if I had to choose either of them I'd go with Tromp. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBT808 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 9 hours ago, OldSchoolGaming_Youtube said: I only have Tromp and it’s really a DD like no other. It’s not easy to play, pretty bad conceal, no smoke, turns like a brick, cant really sustain gunfights ............ But ..... If you learn to play "safe" and not suicide and also learn to lead Bombdrops which are a bit harder in this than Golden Leauw, it can be an Amazing ship. If youre kiting 2-3 BBs and just spamming Bombdrops and torps on cooldown you can melt them pretty easy, you hardly use youre guns. Important to note the penetration on the bombs is horrible compared gouden, which can get over 36mm plate(basically all but a few cruisers), tromp can only damage 19mm. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocsimano18 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 (edited) I love the Agir, and played her quite a bit when she came out. She has better shell arcs, faster shells, and torps compared to Alaska. That’s why I prefer to choose her over the Alaska. Azuma is a more precise fire starter, but you can get closer with Agir. Her guns are excellent vs cruisers, you can one shot some T8 cruisers with her. The DPM is better than that of the Siegfried, which comes handy against DDs. The guns are tiny, the same you have on Odin and Brandenburg, but with much better dispersion. Against BBs, you aim for the superstructure, except when really close. As mentioned before, she is excellent for brawls and ranked. In randoms, I get uptiered almost every match with a T9 ships, so I don’t play any T9 in randoms nowadays, except Michelangelo, because she’s kind of new. Tromp is a niche DD for those who want to try out something different. She can be fun, but strengthwise below average. Agir is a stronger ship overall. Edited April 21 by Ocsimano18 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cammo1962 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 (edited) Agir would I go for it if I was you its a good cruiser. Edited April 21 by Cammo1962 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navalpride33 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 The Agir.. The in-game AA mechanic needs to be revamp/redone/reconstructed. Until that happens.. I would stay away from ships with planes.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchoolGaming_Youtube Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 10 hours ago, MBT808 said: Important to note the penetration on the bombs is horrible compared gouden, which can get over 36mm plate(basically all but a few cruisers), tromp can only damage 19mm. Yup its constant stacking of floods and fires on the pushing BBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verblonde Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Personally, I'd go with Agir first, over Tromp, in a heartbeat; for me, I get way more use from the former. Agir - for me - is a regular go-to for PvE; the mix of reasonably robust, decent volume of fire, short-range torps, and hydro are perfect for bashing bots. In contrast, Tromp is an interesting oddity: I only play her for a bit of variety, and have never got round to mastering her against real people; there are several things that are rather better at being DDs than Tromp is, and I tend to er towards 'optimal' as much as possible in PvP (I'm not good enough to do otherwise). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IfYouSeeKhaos Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 On 4/20/2024 at 5:22 AM, Schnitchelkid01_ said: It is yes come to that time again when I get to pick my next coal ship that I want to get. The two that I have been interested in are the Agir and the Tromp. The Agir would be good because I need a special ship for Tier lX, all my coal ships thus far have been Tier X and I enjoy supercruisers. However I really love the Dutch Airstrikes and the Dutch Cruisers and I am really intrigued by the Tromp. The Tromp would also be another Tier X for the Anniversary Event and would get my extra SCs. For reference my first two Coal Ships were the Sherman and Napoli and I have the GK and Moskva from when they were Tech Tree ships. Which one should I get first over the other? Just looking for a second opinion and maybe some ideas I haven't thought of yet. Was that a complete list of your coal ships...if so major fail (based on the "other ideas") on all who commented & didn't recommend Salem over either of those options. I blow when it comes to Dutch airstrikes (+ I prioritize T10s for flake events) so Tromp will probably be my last coal ship but Agor does have a nitch that it accels at... 1 vs 1 brawls. I use no other signals in brawls as the rewards don't justify them but have over 1k ram flags I never use anywhere else so load them on all cruisers I play in brawls...odds are you'll get the cap over BBs so if you can kill them in a ram you win & that knocks the needed HP down significantly & lessens the need to expose your broadside to get torps off on them...but the torps are still there & are quite usable in a 1 vs 1 brawls scenario... Agir is borderline OP in 1 vs 1 brawls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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