Schnitchelkid01_ Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) My First Tier X Cruiser I got back in 2018 was the Moskva, I remember the Donskoi being a grind but I did ok in it after the end. Well today I got done grinding the Riga and that was an experience.... The Reload is horrible which is fine if the guns were accurate but the guns are worse dispersion than the German BB's at long range. The HE is also really horrible, which yes the Riga is an AP focused ship not HE but the AP at long range sucks too at angled targets. This logically would make the Riga be better at close ranges but the armor is trash at the same time. My only real successes I had in this ship was when I citadeled a Yamato 6 times to kill him. I really hope the Petro is much better because I really enjoy the Moskva, I really do well in the Moskva but I struggled really badly in the Riga. Has anyone else had this same experience. If I don't like the Riga should I even get the Petro? Note: I played the Petro in PTS and I enjoy it so, I have no idea why I did so horribly in the Riga... Edited February 24 by Schnitchelkid01_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BOBTHEBALL Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 21 minutes ago, Schnitchelkid01_ said: My First Tier X Cruiser I got back in 2018 was the Moskva, I remember the Donskoi being a grind but I did ok in it after the end. Well today I got done grinding the Riga and that was an experience.... The Reload is horrible which is fine if the guns were accurate but the guns are worse dispersion than the German BB's at long range. The HE is also really horrible, which yes the Riga is an AP focused ship not HE but the AP at long range sucks too at angled targets. This logically would make the Riga be better at close ranges but the armor is trash at the same time. My only real successes I had in this ship was when I citadeled a Yamato 6 times to kill him. I really hope the Petro is much better because I really enjoy the Moskva, I really do well in the Moskva but I struggled really badly in the Riga. Has anyone else had this same experience. If I don't like the Riga should I even get the Petro? Note: I played the Petro in PTS and I enjoy it so, I have no idea why I did so horribly in the Riga... I actually really hate the Riga. I first grinded it when the line first release and I will say I absolutely hated it back then. I grinded it out all in random battles and it was the worst experience I have had. Compared to other tier 9 cruisers it wasn't as bad because you can actually have some game influence. I recently brought it back again and then played a couple games of it in ranked. I went in not expecting anything and let me say I was disappointed. The killing power is kind of meh. It needs much love, increased accuracy and pen would go a long long way as she doesn't have the armour of Petro to play incredibly close up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnitchelkid01_ Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 41 minutes ago, BOBTHEBALL said: I actually really hate the Riga. I first grinded it when the line first release and I will say I absolutely hated it back then. I grinded it out all in random battles and it was the worst experience I have had. Compared to other tier 9 cruisers it wasn't as bad because you can actually have some game influence. I recently brought it back again and then played a couple games of it in ranked. I went in not expecting anything and let me say I was disappointed. The killing power is kind of meh. It needs much love, increased accuracy and pen would go a long long way as she doesn't have the armour of Petro to play incredibly close up. I think one of the things I was doing wrong was the fact that I was playing lots of Airship Escort which means I am up tiered 100% of the time. Facing off against ships like the Petro, or Supercruisers just makes it feel much more weak. I just now realized this so maybe I need to play it more against it's own tier to see 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ensign Cthulhu Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 I'm currently grinding the Riga in co-op. The guns absolutely slap when they connect, but I miss the torpedoes on the Tallinn just as I missed the Donskoi torps when I finally moved up to the Moskva. (When I say I'm grinding her, I mean I'm playing a battle a day in her and four other ships. My calculations indicate that I'll have them all done by the time the Anniversary comes around and I can farm their T10 successors for supercontainers. Slow and steady wins the race.) 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utt_Bugglier Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 2 hours ago, Schnitchelkid01_ said: Thoughts after grinding the Riga? Use FXP. Or just keep on grinding. Do not stop and smell the roses, do not pass go, do not collect $200. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBTHEBALL Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 4 hours ago, Schnitchelkid01_ said: I think one of the things I was doing wrong was the fact that I was playing lots of Airship Escort which means I am up tiered 100% of the time. Facing off against ships like the Petro, or Supercruisers just makes it feel much more weak. I just now realized this so maybe I need to play it more against it's own tier to see I only played it in random battles and ranked. So the MM was quite balanced I'd say. She also shouldn't be struggling in ranked because on paper her statistics look strong. But we know that once we dive deep and look into it a bit more, we realize that long range dispersion is actually trash, her pen is good but it doesn't make up for the bad HE. There's many ways WG could improve her to be a great yet balanced ship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevermore135 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 I ground Riga twice, most of the battles in Ranked. She performed fine in that mode outside of the few times I forgot she only has 35mm plating and got slapped by Shikashima’s AP. I suppose the recent proliferation of larger guns at tier X/XI since have not done the ship any favors in Randoms, though. And German BBs have used the American/UK dispersion model for years now. Their accuracy is just fine if you run ASM1, which you should be doing anyways. The only tech tree ships that are worth running a secondary build on post-skill rework are the tier VII+ German CCs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnitchelkid01_ Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 31 minutes ago, Nevermore135 said: I ground Riga twice, most of the battles in Ranked. She performed fine in that mode outside of the few times I forgot she only has 35mm plating and got slapped by Shikashima’s AP. I suppose the recent proliferation of larger guns at tier X/XI since have not done the ship any favors in Randoms, though. And German BBs have used the American/UK dispersion model for years now. Their accuracy is just fine if you run ASM1, which you should be doing anyways. The only tech tree ships that are worth running a secondary build on post-skill rework are the tier VII+ German CCs. I agree, the larger guns really make bowtanking impossible now. For example you can get sniped across the map by a St. Vincent or a Satsuma and you get cit'd, maybe I should give this ship a chance and buy it back again for coin once I get the Petro. Maybe I should just be patient Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GandalfTehGray Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 I don't remember the accuracy being awful when it came out. I thought it was actually better than the Petro guns dispersion wise. Can't pull up old ranked stats to see if I played it there on my phone but 49 coop games and 4 random matches as I was grinding it with xp flags to get the Petro for Clan Battles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Project45_Opytny Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Riga, as well as her peers of the Soviet heavy cruiser branch have defective vertical dispersion formulae that while work fine in brawling range becomes extremely erratic on longer ranges that will cause many undershoots and overshoots. By gaming the system, using range upgrade in slot 6 can partily mitigate (still not "solve") this unfavorable characteristic. The legendary upgrade for Petropavlovsk works in a similiar but dinstictively different way. If one likes the aesthetics of Riga ("as a Kronshtadt-lite") so much Tianjin is available for purchase currently, though the price tag is... very impressive. 45 minutes ago, Nevermore135 said: I suppose the recent proliferation of larger guns at tier X/XI since have not done the ship any favors in Randoms, though. 35-mm plating is only vulnerable to overmatch of at least 501-mm AP, at least better than the 431-457 proliferation that has effectively counteracted the standardization of 30-mm amidships for T10 cruisers in T10 matchmaking. 16 minutes ago, Schnitchelkid01_ said: For example you can get sniped across the map by a St. Vincent or a Satsuma and you get cit'd While Satusma, Shikishima and Incomparable are indeed hard-counters, run Incoming Fire Alert and use both throlette (for example, order the engine to "STOP" and then return to full speed ahead) and rudder to dodge can help dodging such long range snipes. 7 hours ago, BOBTHEBALL said: she doesn't have the armour of Petro Petropavlovsk has also been nerfed for many times and is now significantly inferior to what she has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevermore135 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Schnitchelkid01_ said: I agree, the larger guns really make bowtanking impossible now. For example you can get sniped across the map by a St. Vincent or a Satsuma and you get cit'd, maybe I should give this ship a chance and buy it back again for coin once I get the Petro. Maybe I should just be patient It’s only the 20” guns that can overmatch Riga’s 35mm plating. When angled against smaller caliber AP her armor performs similarly to that of Petropavlovsk (40mm) and Moskva (50mm). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnitchelkid01_ Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 Update, I got the Petro and I am doing way better in that ship. Maybe I gave the Riga a bad shake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OT2_2 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Perhaps it's just me, but I really do like the Riga. At least when I sail her she uses to be (very) accurate even at long range. One of my preferred CA in game. Yesterday she performed absolutely flawlessly in both Airship rescue + random. Her guns pack a real punch and the radar is making her versatile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostbow Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 14 hours ago, Schnitchelkid01_ said: My First Tier X Cruiser I got back in 2018 was the Moskva, I remember the Donskoi being a grind but I did ok in it after the end. Well today I got done grinding the Riga and that was an experience.... The Reload is horrible which is fine if the guns were accurate but the guns are worse dispersion than the German BB's at long range. The HE is also really horrible, which yes the Riga is an AP focused ship not HE but the AP at long range sucks too at angled targets. It has been more than two years since I last played the Riga. When I was grinding for the Petro, I think there was still no Commander Skill rework (if I recall correctly; my memory is a bit hazy). Now I use Top Grade Gunner to shorten the reload time. Yes, the accuracy of her main guns leaves much to be desired past 14 or 15 km; but her AP shells have good penetration. 14 hours ago, Schnitchelkid01_ said: This logically would make the Riga be better at close ranges but the armor is trash at the same time. Riga has this 40mm icebreaker bow, but her 25mm Fore- and Aft End Plating and Decks can be overmatched by battleships, especially with ships like the Satsuma, Shikishima, Hannover. In my limited experience, I used just the main guns of her forward turrets, while taking steps to ensure my Riga's sides are protected by islands as often as possible and for as long as possible. Another thing that helped me at that time was taking Radio Location skill for my Russian CA captains. That skill, paired with Riga's radar and hydro, somehow helped mitigate the risk inherent in her playstyle each time stealthy torpedo-focused destroyers are around. 15 hours ago, Schnitchelkid01_ said: I really hope the Petro is much better because I really enjoy the Moskva, I really do well in the Moskva but I struggled really badly in the Riga. Has anyone else had this same experience. If I don't like the Riga should I even get the Petro? Note: I played the Petro in PTS and I enjoy it so, I have no idea why I did so horribly in the Riga... I have the same experience with a few ships. My Buffalo to Des Moines grind was horrible; the Tier IX USN CA was the 'tax' one has to pay in order to get the amazing Des Moines. Same with my Ibuki to Zao grind—Zao's main battery is light years better than the Ibuki's. And with my Riga to Petro grind, there is no question about it: unless you use Free XP, the Riga to Petro grind is the tax to pay to get the still strong Petropavlovsk. 14 hours ago, Schnitchelkid01_ said: I think one of the things I was doing wrong was the fact that I was playing lots of Airship Escort which means I am up tiered 100% of the time. Facing off against ships like the Petro, or Supercruisers just makes it feel much more weak. I just now realized this so maybe I need to play it more against it's own tier to see I would say playing the Riga in fun modes like Airship Escort or Asymmetric Battles can really help your grind without risking anyone's stats. I would use these modes as much as possible to grind ships, and of course to test a few crazy or unorthodox ideas and playstyles. LOL 13 hours ago, Ensign Cthulhu said: I'm currently grinding the Riga in co-op. Slow and steady wins the race. Skill issue. Speed and skill will always win the race—and the mode where any World of Warships player can do and demonstrate that is in PVP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBTHEBALL Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 14 hours ago, Project45_Opytny said: Petropavlovsk has also been nerfed for many times and is now significantly inferior to what she has been. Yes however she's still tankier than Riga with much punchier guns. These things alone make her so much better to play with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBTHEBALL Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 13 hours ago, Schnitchelkid01_ said: Update, I got the Petro and I am doing way better in that ship. Maybe I gave the Riga a bad shake Petro is miles better than Riga, you didn't give her a bad shake she's just not that enjoyable to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouSatInGum Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/25/2024 at 12:47 AM, GandalfTehGray said: I don't remember the accuracy being awful when it came out. I thought it was actually better than the Petro guns dispersion wise. Can't pull up old ranked stats to see if I played it there on my phone but 49 coop games and 4 random matches as I was grinding it with xp flags to get the Petro for Clan Battles. I seem to remember that the entire CA line got that goofy non linear dispersion line where dispersion got markedly worse from about 11-14km distance. Tallinn didn't feel as bad since 12 guns, and Petro felt better because the crazy pen value sometimes gave you surprise citadels, leaving Riga guns feeling the worst of the bunch. Before Petro UU, lots of players, especially in CB, would put range mod on Riga (t9 seasons) and Petro since that pushes that funny crook in the dispersion pattern out 1.75km more. But now that we have legendary Petro, that option is superior for gunnery. Petro and Riga now have similar icebreakers but Petro's citadel has always been harder to hit especially when it was released as partial submarine but even after it was raised. Also, part of the reason Petro feels tankier is that it's firing angles are crazy good...especially kiting. All guns on target down to 25º versus just outside of autobounce angle of 33º for Riga. Forward is also better at 30º versus 35º for Riga. The 360 turrets just add insult to injury. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevermore135 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 (edited) 5 hours ago, YouSatInGum said: I seem to remember that the entire CA line got that goofy non linear dispersion line where dispersion got markedly worse from about 11-14km distance. Tallinn didn't feel as bad since 12 guns, and Petro felt better because the crazy pen value sometimes gave you surprise citadels, leaving Riga guns feeling the worst of the bunch. Riga and Petropavlovsk got the characteristic dispersion, while Tallinn was released with a version that was somewhere between it and more standard CA/CL dispersion (as was Mikoyan). Tallinn did have her dispersion buffed a while after release, although I’m not sure if it was changed to standard CA/CL (I recall that Mikoyan was later explicitly altered to use that) or just further tweaked. WG did explicitly state the change was designed to improve her dispersion at longer ranges and bring it more into line with other cruisers, though. 5 hours ago, YouSatInGum said: Petro and Riga now have similar icebreakers but Petro's citadel has always been harder to hit especially when it was released as partial submarine but even after it was raised. I was looking at the models last night, and even after the change Riga’s citadel stretches about 50% higher above the waterline compared to Petropavlovsk. Edited February 26 by Nevermore135 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utt_Bugglier Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 18 hours ago, BOBTHEBALL said: Petro is miles better than Riga, you didn't give her a bad shake she's just not that enjoyable to play. This. The Riga was a ship I WANTED to like every time out, and I really thought that each outing was going to be “it.” ”It” never was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itwastuesday Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 I don't remember Riga, I played her in clan battle I believe? Petro is still a cruiser of impact, unlike 99% of the class. Personally I like Novosibirsk more tho. The amount of penetration is just plain silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utt_Bugglier Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 27 minutes ago, Itwastuesday said: I don't remember Riga, Walk away from this thread while you can. And don’t look back. Ahhh, how I envy you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBTHEBALL Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 7 hours ago, Utt_Bugglier said: This. The Riga was a ship I WANTED to like every time out, and I really thought that each outing was going to be “it.” ”It” never was. Yeah I tried to think the same but man it was so bad. I was even more disappointed when WG released the tier 11. It's just horrible to play and I wish it was good but it's so not worth the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunkCostFallacy Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Amusingly I got the Riga a couple of days ago, unaware of this thread. Currently I'm working multiple lines (both Japanese cruiser lines, US BB (I'm on the New Mexico), one German BB line (I'm on the Heinrich), both UK BB lines, and the Pan Asian Cruiser line) as well as the second Russian Cruiser line (I've got the Nevsky in the first line) so obviously I'm not playing a lot of games in any of them. Especially when I'm not in the mood and I decide to just rampage around in my Salem or Agincourt Playing COOP, as I do, and taking to heart the warning from WG that the line has "Low firing accuracy at long ranges" I wasn't surprised that I couldn't hit anything out at range. I didn't expect a lot from the line because it's not really tailored to my preferred playstyle. So far it's performing as advertised But I will say that, in my opinion (with only 10 games in her) the Riga isn't intolerable. Just not great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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