Mountbatten on changes to KOTs

[yss_turtleship]

I was late to today's presentations about upcoming changes to the KotS tourneys and WG said they aren't going to have a written version of the announcement for a couple of weeks. Can someone who attended fill us in on the info?

TIA,
Turtle

[yss_turtleship]

The gist of what I got was that part of qualifying is participating in clan battles and some other tourney yet to be named. I was looking to see if there were any names I recognized from the 100 people who attended and the only one that popped out for me was @Grantwhy. 

[Unlooky]

4 hours ago, yss_turtleship said:

I was late to today's presentations about upcoming changes to the KotS tourneys and WG said they aren't going to have a written version of the announcement for a couple of weeks. Can someone who attended fill us in on the info?

TIA,
Turtle

I didn't attend, but a clanmate who did sent this summary.

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KoTS internationals is now invite based.

Teams accrue "points" based on a combination of CB region placement and a KoTS qualifying tournament. KoTS qualifying replaces KoTS regionals.

Now KoTS = Old KoTS Internationals Now "Qualifying Tournament" = Old KoTS Regionals

KoTS will now be annual instead of twice per year. Rewards will be increased accordingly.

Tldr, time commitment is now less for KoTS Regional type rewards (once a year), and this tournament is still open

 

[SunkCostFallacy]

An interestng video. What do you guys think?

 

[iDuckman]

I heard some rumors of this.    Let me watch.

 

[iDuckman]

This move makes a great deal of sense in terms of global e-sports. To gain maximum attention you need interest not just (or even) in the game, but in the teams. The teams will be the stars. This is the first step towards (relatively) fixed professional teams, with a built-in relegation system. The problem, of course, will be the transition to it.

He talks about time zones, but with a relatively small number of teams, WeeGee might be willing to fly them to a common site.  It's been discussed before.

And it gives a big boost to the heretofore smaller, regional tournies. 

 

 

[Daniel_Allan_Clark]

The problem is that World of Warships is not an e-sports compatible game.

[Wolfswetpaws]

1 hour ago, Ensign Cthulhu said:

What does he say? 

Analysis or basic summary, please. Otherwise it's just clickbait.

Here's the transcript (which I copy/pasted).
https://youtu.be/MV14GRaG36s?si=eWyIhviNDGtDCZ5e

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0:00
hello good people of YouTube Mount baton
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here and last Friday at freaking 3:30 in
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the morning a ping was sent forth a ping
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announcing an announcement later in that
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same day concerning changes to one of
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the single biggest events that occurs in
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World warships twice a year king of the
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sea now king of the sea
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is the big player tournament that occurs
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twice a year it's open to anyone from
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across the various regions you can form
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a team sign up and see how well you can
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do in this king of the sea tournament
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but this announcement was teasing big
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changes to this tournament and well
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later in the day a voice chat was had
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that apparently I couldn't go
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to with the players that were available
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at 10:30 in the morning on a Friday at
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least in North America when many of us
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are of course well working but anyway in
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that voice chat there were several large
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changes announced to king of the sea now
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many of you watching may be thinking
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well why is this important to I I don't
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usually part partake in tournaments and
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you know I'm just an average Joe playing
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the game well see the beauty of king of
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the sea is that any fow could get
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together a group of players form a team
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and just see how you do in fact this is
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becoming a very popular Trend as I
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believe the king of the sea uh the one
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before the last one so that should be a
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king of the sea 15 I believe had
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something like 168 teams sign up which
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was the biggest king of the sea in
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history so yeah doing pretty well right
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and pretty popular with the player base
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and king of the sea is is I see it kind
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of as the game's ingame right like you
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grind up the ships that you want you get
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better as a player you partake in ranked
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Clan battles well what's beyond that
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that's king of the sea right so anyway
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some big changes were kind of announced
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it's very confusing how have I acquired
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this knowledge if I was not there well
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I've listened to a couple of recordings
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of bit and pieces of the meeting and
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I've talked to players that were able to
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attend so that's how I'm going to this
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information also to note is that
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apparently a Dev blog is coming out 2
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weeks quote unquote after this little
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voice meeting so should be not this
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Friday but next Friday this should all
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be in writing it'll be interesting to
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see what changes from the initial voice
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announcement to Dev blog is I think
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think a lot of this does need to maybe
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either not happen or it definitely needs
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a closer looking at with Community
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involvement at least but anyway we'll go
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over the concrete changes so first off C
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is going to become a once a year
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tournament and it's going to
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Invitation Only meaning that you can no
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longer just get your friends together
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form a cot's team and try to see how far
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you can go playing against other teams
3:30
that are trying to well do the same
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thing that you are so now it's
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Invitation Only and it's only happening
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once a year so how do you manage to
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secure an invite into this tournament
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this once open tournament now closed
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tournament well you have to earn points
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by partaking in war gaming tournaments
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so I'm assuming that means war gaming
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sponsored tournaments or War gaming back
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tournaments and and Clan battles you now
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have to literally grind in Clan battles
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to earn a spot in
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CS and well they weren't overly clear on
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how the point system worked sounds like
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it's still very much in uh in progress
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shall we say so as far as the clan
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battles part goes your ranking in Clan
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battles contributes to your points and
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it's either 40% of your overall points
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or 60%
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um at points the meeting it was told
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that Clan battles doesn't make up a
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majority of the points and apparently
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when some players asked they were told
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40% but then when other players asked or
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they asked somebody else they were told
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60% of the points are made up from Clan
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battles so it's 40% or
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60% again sounds like they're not really
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sure on that just yet again this isn't a
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concrete thing that's just what we know
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right now from what what was said in the
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meeting again sounds very much work in
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progress so you have to grind Clan
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battles either way in order to acquire
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points for the entry into Cs and you
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still have to partake in wargaming
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tournaments which okay if you're a fan
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of the tournament format not really a
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fan of Clan battles because Clan battles
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if you haven't been playing them
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recently um especially in North America
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it's pretty tiresome playing the same
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you know five six Clans over and over
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and over again
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as it is you know as it has been I
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should say for the past several seasons
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right so if you're looking forward to
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this you know C tournament and playing
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in a tournament style uh well you still
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got to grind your way through Clan
5:42
battles so even if you do wind up
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playing these tournaments and doing
5:46
quite well if you don't partake in Clan
5:48
battles doesn't sound like you're going
5:49
to be able to get an invite into CS
5:53
so yeah right off the bat I don't like
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that it's going to an invitation only
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format where you know your average Joe
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can't just again get together their
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their friends and form a team and try to
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you know get as far as they can can in
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the big tournament right and this was a
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very popular thing to do I believe the
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Cs before last so CS 15 you had like 160
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something teams sign up for it which is
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the most in cot's history so that um
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that's pretty substantial right and then
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they go and close off to everybody so
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the way cots usually worked is that you
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had you know qualifiers regionals
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depending upon of course whatever region
6:37
you're in and then you had the big cots
6:39
International so you would have the
6:41
winners of you know the regional CS for
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North America sea uh EU and well in in
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the past uh Russia right and then they
6:52
would all come together and the
6:53
winterers there would take well the top
6:54
two from those regions would then fight
6:57
in cots International for the title so
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what has happening to these Regional
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tournaments well they're being rebranded
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and they're no longer under the cot's
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name and they're just going to be
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Standalone tournaments that you have to
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partake in to again earn points to
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potentially get invited to Cs and
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another thing that I don't really like
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is that they weren't really specific on
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how exactly the point system is going to
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work cuz on one hand during the meeting
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it's sounded like it's based sorely on
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I'm sorry solely on Clans and solely on
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a team which I'm not really sure how
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you're going to track that across you
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know Clan battle seasons and tournaments
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because I don't know if like other
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servers don't have this problem but like
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you know people in North America have
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jobs
8:00
and some parts of the year we have one
8:04
set of players that can get on and play
8:06
pretty consistently you know they can
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get on pretty much every night for clan
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battles or whatever tournament we're
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partaking in and then sometimes of the
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year we have a different set of players
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that can get on pretty regularly you
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know get on Clan battles every night and
8:21
partake whatever tournaments we're
8:22
taking part in because you know some
8:24
people scheduled changes based on their
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job and I'm a teacher so in the summer
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more available and in the fall and in
8:31
the winter not so much right so I'm not
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sure how they're going to be tracking
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the teams and that was something that
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was spefic specifically said during the
8:40
meeting that it's based upon teams and
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in fact when do get into CS your 10 to
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15 player teams which if you don't know
8:51
you can sign up you know 10 to 15
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players during CS so you you can swap
8:56
out between those fellas apparently your
8:58
rating gets affected if you do more than
9:01
a handful of swaps you know swapping in
9:03
andout players because again you know
9:05
you know Billy Bob can make it during
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this time of the year or this time
9:08
during the day or something comes up cuz
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life happens you may have to swap him
9:13
out and you know five six seven eight
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times they didn't really give us a hard
9:19
number on how many swaps if wore your um
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before your rating was affected but
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apparently if you swap out too many
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people your rating gets affected
9:29
there as well so
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that's yeah kind of screwy in my opinion
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again none of this is solid just yet
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there is still supposed to be a Dev blog
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coming out later um going over more of
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these changes and in terms of like
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overall the feeling that I was getting
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from talking to the players that were
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there and then listening to some of the
9:54
recordings I have access to it sounds
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like it's going to be incredibly
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exclusionary right that this is just
10:00
going to be for the best of the best now
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and that's it no one else can partake in
10:05
C once was which which once was a big
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Community tournament it sounds
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incredibly convoluted because I guess
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just the old tournament format where two
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teams fight and you win or you lose was
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too much of a problem so they're going
10:23
to this now so just just imagine this
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right you get a team together or a clan
10:28
or whatever however the hell they're
10:29
tracking your progress and applying your
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points right and you somehow get that
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same group of 10 to 15 people to grind
10:38
through Clan battles you know you finish
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in Hurricane you do well and you place
10:43
well in your server and then you go to
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the wargaming back tournaments and you
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do well in those and you finally get an
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invitation to C and keep in mind
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apparently a lot of these tournaments
10:55
are going to be happening in the
10:56
summerish area and then CS is happening
11:00
in the fall so again people with varying
11:03
job schedules or you know those of us
11:05
that go to college right schedule can
11:08
change but okay
11:10
whatever and then since it's only one
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big tournament it's more than likely
11:16
sounding like it's going to be based on
11:17
the EU times so that is a bit of a you
11:23
know Monkey Wrench in the fall to be
11:25
having to show up to a tournament on the
11:29
EU timetable because well North America
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again if you're East Coast or West Coast
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that's a pretty big time differential if
11:38
you're in like Australia cuz most of the
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Australians playing the North American
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server I know many of the fellas from
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the land of the upside down yo where
11:47
them kangaroos at um yeah that those
11:50
hours are kind of hellish and then if
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you're a poor sap on the Asian
11:56
server like already for them it's like a
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2: a.m. 3:00 a.m. uh start time for
12:04
those guys that do make it to C's finals
12:07
right to I'm sorry to the finals for CS
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that's um a little hellish
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so yeah and again keep in mind the
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regional CS is gone those tournaments
12:17
are no longer going to be under the the
12:19
cot's name and not related to cots other
12:21
than just earning the
12:25
points so yeah now they did say that
12:28
they were going to be taking a look at
12:30
the timetable for the cots tournament I
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keep want to say CS you know
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International but it's just CS now cuz
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that's what they're going to but that's
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like what what are you going to do like
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most of the staff from my knowledge you
12:46
know they're based out of Europe right
12:47
that that run and officiate CS are they
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going to you know maybe just put it
12:54
somewhere in the middle to where it's
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not just you know favoring the Europe
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European player base and it's not making
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the sea guys wake up at 2:00 in the
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morning you know that would be kind of
13:05
nice but I don't I'm not I don't think
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so I mean if they do kudos to them but
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yeah obviously this is becoming an
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incredibly exclusive tournament and is
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excluding a large part of the player
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base why well the reasons that were
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given is that they wanted to make C
13:28
something truly special and a standout
13:31
tournament at the same time they wanted
13:34
to have
13:36
more Regional based tournaments or
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lesser tournaments that are less
13:41
competitive that you can you know bring
13:44
players of a lower skill level into and
13:47
still have the tournament
13:49
experience but was that not what cot was
13:52
doing
13:54
already because I mean like yeah there's
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other tournaments that are ran you know
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some some sponsored by War gaming some
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not that these players can partake
14:04
in and cot is kind of like no it's it
14:07
it's the big one it's you know the state
14:10
finals you know for those you that
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played uh Sports in high school or or
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whatever or the National Finals if you
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manage to make it that far it's the
14:16
playoffs yeah you may not get too far in
14:18
it but it's a pretty big thrill to you
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know get a team together and go into it
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and just go for it right and now you
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can't do that because it's com ex you
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know incredibly exclusion um exclusive
14:32
at this point and I can kind of get the
14:35
whole like you know we want to do more
14:36
tournament so maybe if we can cuz
14:39
organizing 160 something teams and
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getting them all press accounts because
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that's you know cor the C Cuts roles you
14:45
have to have a press account to play now
14:47
yeah that can be a bit of a daunting
14:49
task I can understand that so maybe
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taking those resources and providing you
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know smaller tournaments maybe less
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competitive t uh tournaments for for the
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masses sure but still why not keep CS
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open to the public in some way shape or
15:05
form I understand maybe not you know
15:08
going full board again having to make
15:10
you know 160 something teams you got 15
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players a team you know that that that's
15:15
a lot of press accounts right but you
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know just in some ways still keeping it
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open and what I really don't get is why
15:24
the clan battles grind because if if
15:28
you're just going to have these smaller
15:30
Regional tournaments sure that you could
15:31
take the you know maybe the top four top
15:35
five from each of these Regional
15:37
tournaments and then you know give them
15:39
the invite to CS right I don't know why
15:42
they don't want to use the Cs branding
15:44
on these now rebranded Regional
15:45
tournaments but whatever and invite them
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so now you got to find a group of 10 to
15:51
15 guys that can grind their lives away
15:53
in Clan battles if you want a chance at
15:55
getting C which again like we talked
15:57
about your clan B battles guys probably
15:59
fluctuate throughout the year and your
16:02
clan battles team probably isn't
16:04
necessarily your C's team because of
16:06
again you know different times
16:07
throughout throughout the year different
16:09
player interest and such
16:11
so yeah I'm not a fan of a lot of these
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changes and what I've heard from a lot
16:18
of the players that I've talked to some
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of the players that you know they go to
16:21
cots every single year they're not that
16:23
big of a fan of these changes either and
16:27
the tone throughout the meeting was kind
16:30
of weird too from what I heard like in
16:33
some cases was like yeah know we wanted
16:34
to run these by you in some cases it was
16:36
like oh this is what we're doing right
16:39
so I'm not sure if this was kind of like
16:42
just kind of quickly put together and
16:46
it's like okay you know we got this you
16:47
know let's just run with it right or if
16:50
it was meant to be kind of we want to
16:52
get a you know some feedback from the
16:55
community but then again you're doing it
16:56
at 10:30 in the morning and in you know
16:58
Central us time which is kind of awkward
17:03
for a lot of people in North America
17:06
because tnder and a Friday again most
17:09
people in North America have jobs right
17:12
so we're all at work so why not have a
17:15
form that you can fill out you know or
17:18
an proper announcement proper text
17:20
announcement where those that miss the
17:22
meeting can you know read what you have
17:26
to say and fill out a a feedback for
17:28
rather than having a voice only meeting
17:31
for an hour and a half right so it's
17:34
just very odd the way they're going
17:36
about doing this and then having the um
17:40
Dev blog coming out two weeks after a
17:44
voice only meeting with no provided
17:46
recording from wargaming side of of
17:49
things so it just strikes me as a little
17:52
odd the way this was handled so again
17:54
it's either a very rushed thing or
17:58
something something funny is going on of
18:00
which I don't know right cuz it's
18:04
wargaming it it surely could just be
18:06
that it's rushed it's not the first time
18:08
War Gaming's rushed something in the
18:10
past right fellas so it wouldn't
18:14
surprise me if that's the case could
18:16
something fishy and funny and some funny
18:18
bu business be going on maybe so I don't
18:23
know for sure and again the only thing
18:25
that we know for sure is that c is going
18:27
to once a year
18:28
it's going to become an Invitational
18:30
Tournament and you're going have to earn
18:31
points in wargaming back tournaments and
18:35
Clan battles that's all we know 100% for
18:37
sure everything else was kind of given
18:40
the caveat of it's a work in
18:43
progress so that's what's going on with
18:46
cs again one of the largest events in
18:50
the game that well used to occur twice a
18:52
year now is going to occur once a year
18:55
and only be open to a very very small
18:57
part of the community Community where
18:59
was open to a larger part of the
19:01
community in the past so that's what's
19:05
going on that's the news for today like
19:07
I said I'm not a fan of a lot of these I
19:10
don't know if they're proposed changes
19:11
or you know changes in progress or
19:14
changes that are for sure going to
19:16
happen but let me know what you guys
19:18
think in the comments down below just
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want to keep you guys informed with
19:21
what's going on in the game so hope you
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guys have a wonderful Tuesday wonderful
19:27
rest of the week hope to catch you guys
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in the next
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one
 

 

 

Edited February 28 by Wolfswetpaws

[Sailor_Moon]

59 minutes ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said:

The problem is that World of Warships is not an e-sports compatible game.

I agree, the balance in World of Warships is not quite good enough to be compatible for Esports imo. Speaking of balance (or lack thereof), would Wargaming add in CVs and subs at such high levels of play? They banned them for KOTS prior to these tourney changes, so they'll probably still be banned post-tourney changes...

Although on a complete sidenote here, that in itself (the ship-wide bans on CVs and subs) would indicate that both ship types aren't properly balanced, wouldn't it? ~-~°('. ' )°~-~

Edited February 28 by Sailor_Moon

[Wolfswetpaws]

2 minutes ago, Sailor_Moon said:

I agree, the balance in World of Warships is not quite good enough to be compatible for Esports imo. Speaking of balance (or lack thereof), would Wargaming add in CVs and subs at such high levels of play? They banned them for KOTS prior to these tourney changes, so they'll probably still be banned post-tourney changes...

Although on a complete sidenote here, that in itself (the ship-wide bans on CVs and subs) would indicate that both ship types aren't properly balanced, wouldn't it? ~-~°('. ' )°~-~

Or it could indicate that the personal desires of the tournament officials are unbalanced towards offering players an environment without CV's or Submarines.

[Jakob Knight]

I think it's just WG and KOTS trying to find more ways to make KOTS attract more media attention by 'only featuring the best players'.  Just another example of how KOTS is not the place for competition among the best players, but only a hype project for lighter gameplay.

 

 

[SunkCostFallacy]

If it's a move to try to make KOTS an esport ... I don't know how viable it is.

I don't follow the esports 'industry' to major extent, as I have little interest in the games which appear to be most popular. I do watch games online, but not the PVP stuff. But I recall reading an article discussing the troubles they were having, mostly in trying to monetise it.  You can only get so many people into the actual venue, so ticket sales can only bring in so much ... and the articles arguing over the viability of pay-per-view are legion.

Also ... the fact that teams tend to be very, shall we say variable in performance over time is apparently quite a problem. Ten minutes research found so many articles discussing how this team, or that team, just completely dropped their bundle and went from the top of the stack to just midling in only a few months. I imagine it's hard to maintain fan enthusiasm when their team suddenly can't make the cut.

Add the fact that WoWS just doesn't have the same potential audience that other games have ... as evidenced by the player numbers, and the popularity of the games on platforms like twitch and youtube, and I have to wonder. I tried looking for view numbers of last years KOTS events, and couldn't find them. Not to say that the data isn't out there ... but I couldn't find it in the time I was willing to spend on it.

One of the most common comments I found on the esports sub on reddit was that esports needs time to mature, and the corporate pressure to start making the big bucks RIGHT NOW is doing more damage than good.

I can't see WG taking a long and measured view on developing WoWS into an esports really

The other thing about Mountbatten's points was the method and timing of announcing it. I tend to agree ... no real warning that it was coming, scheduled on a workday during working hours, and a lot of detail left very nebulous ... that doesn't strike me as promising.

[SureBridge]

Add to that the EXTREMELY flaky quality of their discord. I (and many other) participants didn't have audio - I could get ~2 seconds of audio by disconnecting and reconnecting, and Discord really seems to be not the best platform for making this sort of announcement (as Montbatten noted, during working hours for NA). I followed along with the chat for a bit but it was pretty chaotic, and then decided that I'd (eventually) see an announcement outlining what the changes are. 

I think that it's a safe bet that if you aren't a unicum player and haven't played in KotS yet, you have likely lost your chance to ever play in that tournament. KotS was a great opportunity to see what strategies were employed by elite teams, which more than made up for being curb-stomped by the likes of -NaCl and O7. 

[Ensign Cthulhu]

9 hours ago, Wolfswetpaws said:

Here's the transcript

Thank you.

I have a vague recollection that Mountbatten once railed against how quickly it was possible for new players to get to Tier 10. Now he's railing against WG setting a performance bar for entry into KOTS.

The winners for KOTS are currently almost decided from the start anyway, and a large proportion of it is pretty much exhibition matches. It's about time the bar was raised so that even the best teams have to really work for a win from the first round and keep working. Watching some of the early curbstomps is nothing short of embarrassing. 

[yss_turtleship]

LMB put out some more info:
 

 

[Admiral_Karasu]

I merged two threads on this topic. There may be some duplication of posted content due to this.

[Admiral_Karasu]

13 hours ago, Wolfswetpaws said:

Or it could indicate that the personal desires of the tournament officials are unbalanced towards offering players an environment without CV's or Submarines.

Oh they don't work for WG, then, do they?

[SeaQuest]

I do not have a problem with these changes. It will keep the riff-raff out of KoTs. It also may get more people back to playing clan battles which has been kind of dead of late. 

[Jakob Knight]

15 minutes ago, Admiral_Karasu said:

Oh they don't work for WG, then, do they?

 

I suspect it's a collaboration with strong incentives binding the two.  WG hypes up KOTS and gives it official sanction over other tournaments (perhaps including gifts to the KOTS staff for their work) as a media event to promote the game to those who may not play it yet or who want it to be an e-sport.  KOTS receives continued support and continues to exist as long as WG wishes to continue endorsing them.

 

KOTS listens very closely to what WG tells them to continue their event while WG listens to the KOTS staff in order that they present a good picture of the game to streamers.  

 

So, while KOTS may or may not work for WG, there is a definite joining at the hip that would likely be fatal to KOTS if WG pulled their endorsements, and WG would be without a distributed media tournament if that happened.  I'm sure both parties work hard to keep the other happy.

 

 

[Admiral_Karasu]

9 minutes ago, Jakob Knight said:

 

I suspect it's a collaboration with strong incentives binding the two.  WG hypes up KOTS and gives it official sanction over other tournaments (perhaps including gifts to the KOTS staff for their work) as a media event to promote the game to those who may not play it yet or who want it to be an e-sport.  KOTS receives continued support and continues to exist as long as WG wishes to continue endorsing them.

 

KOTS listens very closely to what WG tells them to continue their event while WG listens to the KOTS staff in order that they present a good picture of the game to streamers.  

 

So, while KOTS may or may not work for WG, there is a definite joining at the hip that would likely be fatal to KOTS if WG pulled their endorsements, and WG would be without a distributed media tournament if that happened.  I'm sure both parties work hard to keep the other happy.

 

 

Why isn't anyone working hard to keep us regular players happy.

[Daniel_Allan_Clark]

42 minutes ago, SeaQuest said:

I do not have a problem with these changes. It will keep the riff-raff out of KoTs. It also may get more people back to playing clan battles which has been kind of dead of late. 

I'm not sure people will play clan battles so that they can get curb stomped by the KotS elites.

[Sailor_Moon]

16 hours ago, Wolfswetpaws said:

Or it could indicate that the personal desires of the tournament officials are unbalanced towards offering players an environment without CV's or Submarines.

I doubt that highly.

From my understanding, King of the Seas tournaments are supposed to be the "highest levels of play" for World of Warships players. Anything that screws with the balance like that (CVs, subs, certain overperforming surface ships) is of course going to be either restricted or outright banned. Kinda like Smogon for Pokemon. there's lots of banned pokemon simply because they're too powerful/influential for regular tournament play (lols Mega Rayquaza formed its own darn tier). Same goes for Magic The Gathering. LOTS of game-breaking cards (Black Lotus, anyone?!) that are banned in tournament play. Now, Wizards of the Coast and Game Freak may not care to adjust these broken cards/pokemon, which is honestly bad. But Wargaming's WoWs, which is predominantly a PvP game, should ABSOLUTELY be taking notice of overperforming/broken ships restricted in KOTS. Those ships clearly need to be brought in line if everyone is using them. And since CVs and subs are BOTH banned wholesale....that indicates balance issues with the entire line, not just select CVs and subs.

Add to that that Wargaming is looking to solve balance issues with the aforementioned upcoming CV spotting changes and sub shotgunning changes...I dunno, buuut it sure seems like a PATTERN of balance issues, not just a coincidence, to me... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Asym]

Just a thought:  "A house divided against itself can not stand...."  Lincoln. 

Which, came from the Bible:

"Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand."  Matthew 12:22...

Why is the operative question?   KOTS is boring as all get out....  Not just my words but the opinion of a University Gaming club I demo'd the game to see what they thought of this game.  Boring.  BTW, they belong to NACE.....  And, the innovation center on that Campus obtained a copy of a Professional Gaming contract from a game I will not mention.....  Interesting reading....!

As I have said a dozen times, the dissimilar weapons on small maps renders the base PVP combat mechanics so volatile and sensitive to RNG coming from the Dissimilar weapons, it all but renders PVP into "chance mechanics" of the skills of those players playing Dissimilar weapons....  Too volatile on small maps.

[Daniel_Allan_Clark]

1 hour ago, Sailor_Moon said:

From my understanding, King of the Seas tournaments are supposed to be the "highest levels of play" for World of Warships players.

🤣 How can it be the highest level of play when they aren't even playing the same game?

Don't buy the advertising hype.

KotS is a boring mod of world of warships...populated by guys who are good at a version of the game that never existed.

This is like saying guys who only play tier 1 are examples of the highest levels of play in the game. The assertion is so far from the truth that it should just be mocked at every opportunity, IMO.

[Wulf_Ace]

To say the truth I dont care if they make only pro teams IF their games are fun to watch but they are NEVER fun to watch.

Sorry to say but Kots is ultra boring tournament

Like watching league of legends tournaments with pro teams only, bit guess what they are fun to watch not to mention they always try something new, new heroes or new gameplay.

In wows Kots, same ships, same tactics, same players, same boring gameplay.