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Since I'm not completely new to the game I do know about the impact of CV when played correctly or badly. Personally, I'm more worried about "badly" and have problems to join up in Randoms, because I don't want to ruin the game for others. Now I'm talking about "Langley" in TIV, this because I wanted to start from scratch. Only way to go IMHO. I watched intros by Ahskance etc. and played / trained in COOP and feel quite confident actually. Should I just dare and start? Thankful for tips and input. 

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Just play, low tier CVs have lower output in exchange for absence of AA to contend with.

 

Since I didn't watch the same intros you mentioned, I can't really comment.

But that said, real opponents would actually perform evasion manoeuvres, meaning co-op can only offer limited training.

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Just play. Casual tip : start of the match spot the enemy team movement and don't worry about getting immediate damage off. Like at least try to spot if they're doing a huge 10 ship lemming push to a side. I like to drop fighter plane at the sight of first enemy ship (to keep it spotting and out of AA range), which I think you'll get T6.

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3 hours ago, OT2_2 said:

Since I'm not completely new to the game I do know about the impact of CV when played correctly or badly. Personally, I'm more worried about "badly" and have problems to join up in Randoms, because I don't want to ruin the game for others. Now I'm talking about "Langley" in TIV, this because I wanted to start from scratch. Only way to go IMHO. I watched intros by Ahskance etc. and played / trained in COOP and feel quite confident actually. Should I just dare and start? Thankful for tips and input. 

I worry about the same things too. CV is sort of a responsibility to help others win by providing spotting , and annoying the enemy ships to no end.

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Hi all,

3 hours ago, OT2_2 said:

Since I'm not completely new to the game I do know about the impact of CV when played correctly or badly. Personally, I'm more worried about "badly" and have problems to join up in Randoms, because I don't want to ruin the game for others. Now I'm talking about "Langley" in TIV, this because I wanted to start from scratch. Only way to go IMHO. I watched intros by Ahskance etc. and played / trained in COOP and feel quite confident actually. Should I just dare and start? Thankful for tips and input. 

I have all the ships but never ever played CV and/or SUB in Randoms... 🙂

I grinded all of them in the parallel temporary battle types (Escort / Dirigible / Asymmetric etc.) - I never "harmed" anyone with that nor I was "harmed"...

 

Leo "Apollo11"

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"Langley" in Random ... predetermined matches IMO. You shall not win seems to be the clear message from WG. Two times "my bots" messed up completely and then our base was captured and I subsequently sunk. Not possible to get any honest games at TIV at this time of day, perhaps never. My performance during the second battle wasn't that bad in my opinion. As you might have noticed did I use my second account. Starting everything from scratch and doing it right this time. The one mentioned account is not private.

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3 hours ago, OT2_2 said:

Since I'm not completely new to the game I do know about the impact of CV when played correctly or badly. Personally, I'm more worried about "badly" and have problems to join up in Randoms, because I don't want to ruin the game for others. Now I'm talking about "Langley" in TIV, this because I wanted to start from scratch. Only way to go IMHO. I watched intros by Ahskance etc. and played / trained in COOP and feel quite confident actually. Should I just dare and start? Thankful for tips and input. 

Just get into it. Don't let trolls and griefers tell you what you can or can't do. Tell them to go stick a burning Yamato sideways up their aft.

If you're worried about not performing in CV well enough in Randoms, well, everyone has to start sometime.

 

I started playing CV in 2018 because I wanted to see what life was like on the other side; I was no longer content merely to be attacked and defend myself. Welcome to the flight deck.

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10 minutes ago, Ensign Cthulhu said:

Just get into it. Don't let trolls and griefers tell you what you can or can't do. Tell them to go stick a burning Yamato sideways up their aft.

If you're worried about not performing in CV well enough in Randoms, well, everyone has to start sometime.

Thank you very much for encouraging me. I'm going to continue for sure. I kind of like playing CV. 

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6 minutes ago, OT2_2 said:

Thank you very much for encouraging me. I'm going to continue for sure. I kind of like playing CV. 

If nothing else, it helps you understand their behaviour and what they can and can't do when they attack you.

If I were you, I would do my utmost to get hold of the Independence during this patch's early release event. By all means set it aside if you feel you're not ready for it, but it will save you having to grind out the Ranger more than you absolutely have to.

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4 hours ago, OT2_2 said:

Since I'm not completely new to the game I do know about the impact of CV when played correctly or badly. Personally, I'm more worried about "badly" and have problems to join up in Randoms, because I don't want to ruin the game for others. Now I'm talking about "Langley" in TIV, this because I wanted to start from scratch. Only way to go IMHO. I watched intros by Ahskance etc. and played / trained in COOP and feel quite confident actually. Should I just dare and start? Thankful for tips and input. 

Yes, "just dare and start".  🙂 

Be advised, the flak gets more intense as you progress up the tiers of the tech-tree.  😉 

The good news is that Scenario Operations are good training environments for CV's.  Long battle, plenty of targets, and yet there's a script so that you know where to position one's hull and send one's planes.

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And because @Asym reacted with a sad/crying emoji to one of my earlier posts in this topic, I'll mention that Ahskance has good educational videos on his youtube channel, including videos about how to CV.

https://www.youtube.com/@ahskance6321/playlists

Lessons Playlist
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGa9cGabb14WjIBPlxhS3QogUm7peNcxM

"Who dares, wins." - SAS

 

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1 hour ago, Wolfswetpaws said:

Yes, "just dare and start".  🙂 

Be advised, the flak gets more intense as you progress up the tiers of the tech-tree.  😉 

The good news is that Scenario Operations are good training environments for CV's.  Long battle, plenty of targets, and yet there's a script so that you know where to position one's hull and send one's planes.

And, a CV's ruin the OP for the rest of the PVE mains whom only have one place to play this game anymore.....  No joke, we are down to "just operations" now.

IMO, CV's should be banned from Operations. 

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1 minute ago, Asym said:

And, a CV's ruin the OP for the rest of the PVE mains whom only have one place to play this game anymore.....  No joke, we are down to "just operations" now.

IMO, CV's should be banned from Operations. 

We all started playing this game knowing little about it, and had to learn.
Everyone has to learn.
*You* could be a good teacher.  Instead of being concerned about whether or not the game is won, instead consider the long-term benefits of teaching new players how to win and then gaining double satisfaction of seeing a new player learn & grow and eventually participating and contributing to a win.

I taught my Wife how to shoot a gun.  We went to a class and she was the best female shooter, and scored better than other newbie males as well.
I taught her that, was my response when asked about it.  🙂 

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7 minutes ago, Wolfswetpaws said:

We all started playing this game knowing little about it, and had to learn.
Everyone has to learn.
*You* could be a good teacher.  Instead of being concerned about whether or not the game is won, instead consider the long-term benefits of teaching new players how to win and then gaining double satisfaction of seeing a new player learn & grow and eventually participating and contributing to a win.

I taught my Wife how to shoot a gun.  We went to a class and she was the best female shooter, and scored better than other newbie males as well.
I taught her that, was my response when asked about it.  🙂 

COOP then, it's dead anyway. 

A good teacher?  Why would I support a class of ships that have simply ruined an entire mode of play >?  Add subs, that actually destroyed the COOP battlespace so badly, it is almost an impossible mode to play in for any "value"....  Which, I might add is the goal our host anticipates....encouraged...  That, has caused losing many players from the game.

Shooting.....  That's great she now knows.  We run a "Women on Target" open house every year....  It's 100% booked every year....

That, ^^^^ I can teach.  Carriers I don't have time for.....

 

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Just now, mashed68 said:

Playing cv's, win or loose, ruins the game for everyone. I vote skip cv's. 

I completely disagree. For me, CVs and subs both add to the diversity, complexity, and increased enjoyment of the game. Most players either enjoy the diversity, don't care one way to the other, or at least tolerate it. This is evidenced by the fact that tens of thousands still play this game after eight years.  If you want to play only surface ships then there is always Tier I.

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58 minutes ago, Asym said:

We run a "Women on Target" open house every year....  It's 100% booked every year...

My cousin is an avid hunter but he only had girls. Fortunately, they both liked to go out hunting with him. One crawled a thousand yards stalking an Oryx when she was 15 before she could line up a shot. She got it too, one shot with a .300 Win Mag. He couldn't have been prouder.

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2 hours ago, Asym said:

And, a CV's ruin the OP for the rest of the PVE mains whom only have one place to play this game anymore.....  No joke, we are down to "just operations" now.

IMO, CV's should be banned from Operations. 

Newport is a lot easier if your team has Pobeda.

The night battle in Empress Augusta Bay is a lot easier with Pobeda or Implacable.

Five star Killer Whale or Operation FU is a lot easier with a CV on your team.

Etc.

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Play what makes you happy. If no one played CVs, the player base would move on to complaining about the next thing that exploits some form of asymmetric gameplay. 

Do your best, be a nice teammate, and you'll do more good than harm.

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2 hours ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said:

Newport is a lot easier if your team has Pobeda.

The night battle in Empress Augusta Bay is a lot easier with Pobeda or Implacable.

Five star Killer Whale or Operation FU is a lot easier with a CV on your team.

Etc.

And, the Elephant in the room is.........do they know how to even play a carrier.  Of late, the carrier drivers must not have ever played because, 1) the always get annihilated early (can't drive and play planes at the same time) and 2), have no idea what they really are doing !   

So, what is there to say?  Can't stop them, so here I am, not playing the game........  The games loss really cause many of us used to play full-time and spend. 

Not anymore.  Sad, but true.

 

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38 minutes ago, Asym said:

And, the Elephant in the room is.........do they know how to even play a carrier.  Of late, the carrier drivers must not have ever played because, 1) the always get annihilated early (can't drive and play planes at the same time) and 2), have no idea what they really are doing !   

So, what is there to say?  Can't stop them, so here I am, not playing the game........  The games loss really cause many of us used to play full-time and spend. 

Not anymore.  Sad, but true.

 

This is true of other classes in ops as well.

Sometimes, as you say, the only right option is not to play.

When I get tilted, I go play other games. Where have you gone for entertainment away from this casino?

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42 minutes ago, Asym said:

And, the Elephant in the room is.........do they know how to even play a carrier.  Of late, the carrier drivers must not have ever played because, 1) the always get annihilated early (can't drive and play planes at the same time) and 2), have no idea what they really are doing !   

So, what is there to say?  Can't stop them, so here I am, not playing the game........  The games loss really cause many of us used to play full-time and spend. 

Not anymore.  Sad, but true.

 

 

This is one of the things that tells a team if their CV knows what they are doing or not.  A CV commander has to maintain a good distance from the firefight to avoid being targeted by BB fire and dropped, but not so far that their planes can't be a factor in the match. 

 

The CV players who run their Carriers right past the rest of the team and get sunk trying to be Destroyers really are liable for throwing a match in most cases as it's blatantly obvious they are not built to do that.  On the other hand, a CV that sits at the edge of the map takes too long to get their planes where they are needed and gives the opposing team plenty of time to work between strikes.  Either one of these will make a team groan in resignation that they would have been better off without that CV on their team.

 

Knowing how close to maintain the battle without making yourself an instant target, and being able to read the map to understand where the enemy is going are key skills a good/experienced CV driver has to develop.

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Snargfargle said:

I completely disagree. For me, CVs and subs both add to the diversity, complexity, and increased enjoyment of the game. Most players either enjoy the diversity, don't care one way to the other, or at least tolerate it.

While your logic isn't exactly wrong, I think you are missing the fact of the thousands who didn't tolerate it and either quit playing or play a whole lot left than they would otherwise.  You can put me into the second camp.  This patch so far, I have probably only played 10 PvP games (normally I'd have triple that) because I have already mostly quit random for ranked...but this patch has bronze at T6 (on mid and high tier maps no less) so it's been Ryujo, Ark Royal, and Bearn abomination that is the scourge of DD's.  Bearn can absolutely ruin a DD player's game with basically no reasonable counter play.

20 minutes ago, Snargfargle said:

  If you want to play only surface ships then there is always Tier I.

Really, Tier 1?  serious or trolling? 

so many bots it's less challenging than even asymmetric.

There was T7 bronze but guess the good times couldn't last...

But back to your supposition.... why do you supposed that CV's have been banned from the last 7 or 8+ clan battle seasons? 

Hint:  the answer probably has something to do with the last T6 CB season.... I'll say this my memory is getting close to use by date for that ...  but up to that season, WG used to release data at the end of seasons on participation and such.... it was discontinued after that.... but they DID say that ....  "due to player feedback...."  ....and we can all fill in the rest of the blank since that is now typical communication...

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