Military News & Naval History Hangout

[iDuckman]

We don't seem to have a military section, so I'll post this here. 

X-planes are research vehicles.  So what are the various X programs researching?  It held my attention.

 

Edited August 22, 2023 by Capt_of_Satisfaction
Renamed to accommodate larger audience

[Type_93]

German gun camera footage from WW2 show the first X plane prototype fighters being combat tested. 

[Guest Capt_of_Satisfaction]

Hey @iDuckman glad to see you waddled over :-)

If you (or let me retitle this,) I'll pin it for you.  Something like "Military News & Naval History Hangout"  A place for this and updates on historical renovations or just naval history.

Subcategories are still being worked out.

Cheers!

[iDuckman]

@Capt_of_SatisfactionIf you find (or make) a more appropriate place, go ahead and move it.

[Guest Capt_of_Satisfaction]

23 minutes ago, iDuckman said:

@Capt_of_SatisfactionIf you find (or make) a more appropriate place, go ahead and move it.

Ok, topic renamed and pinned. Thanks for the interesting post!

[meatgrindr]

Very nice.  Maybe we could put the thread about the New Jersey in here, with the OP's permission.

[MBT808]

Question for some of our community, does anyone know any good german historians in the EU community or else where on the internet that are good sources for information? Just doing some research to verify something.

[Frakagin]

For anyone interested in Naval Military History I highly recommend Drachinifel and his Youtube channel.

https://www.youtube.com/@Drachinifel

He was  on WG's armchair admirals series and his 5 minute guides are some of the best quick overviews of ship classes,

the longer videos are very good coverage special topics and individual battles/campaigns.

[Wolfswetpaws]

4 hours ago, Frakagin said:

For anyone interested in Naval Military History I highly recommend Drachinifel and his Youtube channel.

https://www.youtube.com/@Drachinifel

He was  on WG's armchair admirals series and his 5 minute guides are some of the best quick overviews of ship classes,

the longer videos are very good coverage special topics and individual battles/campaigns.

+1

I'd add these channels, too.

Battleship New Jersey
https://www.youtube.com/@BattleshipNewJersey

Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles
https://www.youtube.com/@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles

 

[Slammer58]

OK, this is definitely not naval, but it is miltary history related.

Tomorrow at 10:30a ET, a time capsule (from 1820s/1913?) found in a monument at West Point will be opened.  Someone call Geraldo Rivera 😏

https://www.westpoint.edu/news/press-releases/west-point-discovers-time-capsule-monument-base

 

Edited August 27, 2023 by Slammer58

[Slammer58]

18 hours ago, Slammer58 said:

OK, this is definitely not naval, but it is miltary history related.

Tomorrow at 10:30a ET, a time capsule (from 1820s/1913?) found in a monument at West Point will be opened.  Someone call Geraldo Rivera 😏

https://www.westpoint.edu/news/press-releases/west-point-discovers-time-capsule-monument-base

 

Live stream link: 

 

link below may be bad

 

Edited August 28, 2023 by Slammer58

[Slammer58]

Well, that was a bit of a let down, kinda like opening the new SCs 😄.   Guess the lead box wasn't sealed as well as it shouldve been.  Can't blame Geraldo for this one.

Edited August 28, 2023 by Slammer58

[Wolfswetpaws]

10 hours ago, Slammer58 said:

Live stream link: 

 

link below may be bad

 

Priceless!  😄 

[Slammer58]

Turns out there were some items in the box afterall.

After sifting the dirt, West Point experts found an 1800 Liberty dollar, an 1828 50-cent piece, an 1818 quarter, an 1827 dime, a 1795 nickel, and a 1827 penny, and an Erie Canal commemorative medal.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2023/08/31/west-point-time-capsule-coins/70725393007/

https://www.westpoint.edu/news/press-releases/west-point-discovers-artifacts-inside-1828-time-capsule

 

Edited August 31, 2023 by Slammer58
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[Justin_Simpleton]

I find it odd that those folks examining the box contents are puzzled why the coins are there.  I thought it was common practice to put a set of coins in a time capsule.  The dates of the coins may have some meaning.

[Guest Capt_of_Satisfaction]

3 hours ago, Justin_Simpleton said:

I find it odd that those folks examining the box contents are puzzled why the coins are there.  I thought it was common practice to put a set of coins in a time capsule.  The dates of the coins may have some meaning.

Nostalgia. 
I once owned a 1923 $20 Saint Gaudens Double Eagle gold coin MS-69. (Mint State 70 is perfect and almost unheard of)  sold it 40 years ago for about 6k

 

It’s now worth over $100,000 🤨

[Justin_Simpleton]

44 minutes ago, Capt_of_Satisfaction said:

Nostalgia. 
I once owned a 1923 $20 Saint Gaudens Double Eagle gold coin MS-69. (Mint State 70 is perfect and almost unheard of)  sold it 40 years ago for about 6k

 

It’s now worth over $100,000 🤨

Wow.  I'm surprised it survived the great gold confiscation.  You could have gotten a top-of-the-line motorcycle for 6K back then.

[Guest Capt_of_Satisfaction]

On 8/31/2023 at 1:23 PM, Justin_Simpleton said:

Wow.  I'm surprised it survived the great gold confiscation.  You could have gotten a top-of-the-line motorcycle for 6K back then 

Bad move selling that coin in the 80s.  I built a PC with the money and blew the rest I think, probably on stereo equipment.  I also sold a rare MS 69 Morgan dollar for like 1200 I think it was.  Live and learn!

[Ticonderoga]

So I'm doing some research on US, UK and French cruisers (interwar to postwar designs) and if anyone could share some online sources that would be greatly appreciated (RN postwar cruiser-destroyers included)

p.s. any info regarding how various cruisers would hold up to 8-inch shellfire would also be nice

thanks in advance 

 

Edited September 3, 2023 by Ticonderoga

[Gnirf]

Some interesting forums/sites for Naval and Military matters:

http://www.navweaps.com/

and its forum,

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/warships1discussionboards/

pretty advanced, been a member since long time before WOWs in older hostings but seldom posts anything, I just read all the knowledge, some heated debates though and since many are US based posters, it sometimes can shine through especially in the more political matters.

Note that there are political sections also both general, and for those who follows major military events. many authors here that do much research, some of topics very detailed and with advanced knowledge from many posters.

https://www.kbismarck.org/forum/

http://combinedfleet.com/

About IJN many detailed articles, ship troms etc but does not seem to get updated much. Lots of interesting stuff though.

  

[Gnirf]

On 9/3/2023 at 5:10 PM, Ticonderoga said:

So I'm doing some research on US, UK and French cruisers (interwar to postwar designs) and if anyone could share some online sources that would be greatly appreciated (RN postwar cruiser-destroyers included)

p.s. any info regarding how various cruisers would hold up to 8-inch shellfire would also be nice

thanks in advance 

 

Without going into extreme detail and immune zones etc , I just take this from my memory as it takes to long to dig in my library atm.

French Cruisers (heavy) Algerie had good armour, The older cruisers rest bad to a little less bad.

Italian heavy, Trento not good, but better than french, Zara good

US, Pensacola Paper, then progressively better, they had a immune concept in the later interwar cruisers

RN, Mediocre to better

IJN Myoko/Chokai decent,

IJN f.e. had only splinter protection on turrets whereas US ships in the later cruisers like Algerie f.e. had more armour on gun turrets.

As long as the WNT were in effect it was difficult to provide any meaningful immune zone against 8-inch hits although some cruisers mentioned above did have it in some manner. 

US Baltimore/DM certainly had 8 inch immune zones, and some of the RN never built designs also. But they were of a different level cost/tonnagewise.

There are plenty of articles in Warship yearbooks and the individual quarterly issues before it became a yearbook. Warship international have several articles too but those I do not have access to myself.

Friedmans books are naturally good to read if you have access to them.

Maybe you can find some in the forums that I mentioned here in this thread close by, recommend you join Nawweaps forum and ask there.

 

  

[Ticonderoga]

thanks 🙂

so my understanding rn is that the "best" protected treaty cruisers are Wichita, Algerie, Zara, late IJN (Takaos?), Town and _maybe_ New Orleans?

 

[Project45_Opytny]

http://navypedia.org/ships_index.htm Navypedia, at least it can provide an outline of what country has operated/designed what ships.

http://www.viribusunitis.ca/index.html Fan site on VU and some other Austro-Hungarian designs.

https://wiki.lesta.ru/ru/Navy:Мир_Кораблей The former Wargaming Wiki Russian Section.

http://navsource.narod.ru/index.html Photo gallery of Soviet and Russian warships.

http://navsource.narod.ru/list.html A collection of pictures.

https://flibusta.is/b/402904/read
https://flibusta.is/b/407464/read
https://flibusta.is/b/403755/read
https://flibusta.is/b/436104/read
https://flibusta.is/b/427883/read A strange site in Russian, probably clipped from E-books.

https://www.navsource.org/ Navsource.

http://www.gwpda.org/naval/irn16bb.htm An article about Tsarist Russian 16-incher battleship designs.

https://www.netherlandsnavy.nl/index.html Dutch Navy during World War II (with the already heavily discussed Project 1047 large cruiser).

https://stefsap.wordpress.com/ Blog of Mr. Stefano Sappino, for me, the source of exotic projects like the Ferrati battleships and Ansaldo-Spanish cruisers.

https://www.naval-history.net/index.htm British and Commonwealth naval history.

http://www.associazione-venus.it/ Italian naval photo collection.

https://www.histarmar.com.ar/index.htm Argentinean site in Spanish.

https://www.okieboat.com/index.html
https://mighty90.com/
https://www.usscolumbiacl-56.com/ Navy veteran association sites.

https://www.sms-navy.com/index.htm We should thank those who continue to host their sites...

http://seawarpeace.ru/deutsch/schlachtschiff/01_main/28_28.html I haven't explore much of this site yet.

 

http://tsushima.su/EN/newsen/

http://dreadnoughtproject.org/tfs/index.php/Main_Page

https://warspot.ru/categories/4-flot

https://www.bismarck-class.dk/

https://www.german-navy.de/information/index.html

https://www.kbismarck.com/

http://www.hmshood.org.uk/

Edited September 7, 2023 by Project45_Opytny

[Gnirf]

On 8/31/2023 at 6:34 PM, Capt_of_Satisfaction said:

Nostalgia. 
I once owned a 1923 $20 Saint Gaudens Double Eagle gold coin MS-69. (Mint State 70 is perfect and almost unheard of)  sold it 40 years ago for about 6k

 

It’s now worth over $100,000 🤨

Wonder how much your Dow Jones index have gone up during same period. Or maybe it best not to know. It is about live life too. I have some Märklin Toy trains they have lost value probably the last 20 years but it is more fun to look at them then some figures in the internet bank.

[iDuckman]

These guys are working on the gun mounts removed from USS Texas.  They're bringing them back to like-new condition. 

Btw, they're changing Texas's color from Haze Grey (pictured), used in the Atlantic, to an MS-21 scheme used in the Pacific, where she ended her combat career.