seasoned and unique captains

[pepe_trueno]

Is there any news of WG finally adding more seasoned and unique captains? i mean we have entire nations that have been out for a while without them.

 

wich bring my second point. WG has been on a crusade to burn the excess of resources players have acumulated over the years so why not add an option to use free captain exp to turn a normal commander into a seasoned one? 

is not that complicated or gamebreaking just pay "x" amount of captain free exp and get 3 points to upgrade a desired skill (3 point skills will cost 3 points, 2 points skill 2 points, etc...)

 

since the same skill can appear in different tiers the upgrade will only be for the selected ship type, as an example if i upgrade IFHE on a BB it wont upgrade IFHE for cruisers.

Edited November 18, 2023 by pepe_trueno

[Admiral_Karasu]

I was trying to remember if 'seasoned commanders' were some spiced up version of regular commanders. For general reference, here's the relevant wiki page on 'special commanders':

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Special_Commanders

You just gotta love WG love for miscommunication:

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World of Warships has adopted a set of terms for special commanders that is not descriptive. These are the terms that appear in the game client:

• Unique Commander — same as a Talented commander.
• Seasoned Commander — same as a Skilled commander.
• Event Commander — a special but unskilled commander.

 

[pepe_trueno]

5 minutes ago, Admiral_Karasu said:

I was trying to remember if 'seasoned commanders' were some spiced up version of regular commanders. For general reference, here's the relevant wiki page on 'special commanders':

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Special_Commanders

You just gotta love WG love for miscommunication:

 

standar commander: normal one

event commander: unique voice over or image

seasoned commander: enhaced skills

unique commander: enhaced skills and 1-2 unique skills

[CFagan_1987]

16 minutes ago, pepe_trueno said:

Is there any news of WG finally adding more seasoned and unique captains? i mean we have entire nations that have been out for a while without them.

 

wich bring my second point. WG has been on a crusade to burn the excess of resources players have acumulated over the years so why not add an option to use free captain exp to turn a normal commander into a seasoned one? 

is not that complicated or gamebreaking just pay "x" amount of captain free exp and get 3 points to upgrade a desired skill (3 point skills will cost 3 points, 2 points skill 2 points, etc...)

 

since the same skill can appear in different tiers the upgrade will only be for the selected ship type, as an example if i upgrade IFHE on a BB it wont upgrade IFHE for cruisers.

We're getting two 10 point unique captains (a British one and a German one) as part of the Holiday event premium battle pass.

[yss_turtleship]

6 minutes ago, pepe_trueno said:

unique commander: enhaced skills and 1-2 unique skills

These skills are also known as talents and are typically not active in Clan Battles or tournaments that take place in Training Rooms.

[pepe_trueno]

17 minutes ago, CFagan_1987 said:

We're getting two 10 point unique captains (a British one and a German one) as part of the Holiday event premium battle pass.

did a quick look and those seem to be historical / event  commanders not unique commanders, i dont think they even have enhanced skills is just the portrait.

14 minutes ago, yss_turtleship said:

These skills are also known as talents and are typically not active in Clan Battles or tournaments that take place in Training Rooms.

what triggers those talents is another thing that should be addressed ,  some talents can be triggered in operations and coop like lutjens while other are bound to medals that only exist in randoms... 

 

[AdmiralThunder]

WG keeps changing the category/descriptive names on these Capt's. At one time we had standard, special, and legendary and that was it. Now we have I don't know how many different. There seems to be 5 Capt types now...

Standard Basic: (No special skills, voiceover, perks, etc... uses a standard portrait shared with other Capt's of the nation w/ different names)

  

Standard Special: (No special skills, voiceover, perks, etc... BUT has a unique portrait & name)

 

Special Basic: (No special or enhanced skills BUT has a voiceover and uses a unique portrait can also have a pennant)

 

Special Enhanced: (1 or more enhanced skills, unique portrait, can have a pennant and/or colored tracers, can have a voiceover, shows a white star next to the Capt's name)

 

Legendary: (Special and enhanced skills, pennant and colored tracers, shoot off fireworks/flare when special skills activated, gold star next to gold text for Capt name)

 

I may have missed some as there are so many different types now. Makes your head swim.

 

Edited November 18, 2023 by AdmiralThunder

[Colonel Potter]

I miss Luigi Sansonetti's national colored tracers. Was cool to see the multi-colored tracers flying out from the ship. But of course WG had to change them to "be in line with the rest of the unique commanders" instead of keeping them truly unique.

[kriegerfaust]

 

is Wargaming that cheap or are they A twins, B Clones, C From Parrale worlds where only the name is change, Done is an evil doppelganger E Identity who got surgery only the thief forgot to steal the name with the face

[pepe_trueno]

1 hour ago, kriegerfaust said:

 

is Wargaming that cheap or are they A twins, B Clones, C From Parrale worlds where only the name is change, Done is an evil doppelganger E Identity who got surgery only the thief forgot to steal the name with the face

well he does change what he is wearing.

today's economy is hard so he is probably impersonating multiple captains to get extra money.

[kriegerfaust]

you are right , i missed the two extra metals and the shoulder ranks, maybe he changed his identity to escape creditors and got promoted, or the opposite his new persona was demoted

Edited November 19, 2023 by kriegerfaust

[AdmiralThunder]

3 hours ago, Colonel Potter said:

I miss Luigi Sansonetti's national colored tracers. Was cool to see the multi-colored tracers flying out from the ship. But of course WG had to change them to "be in line with the rest of the unique commanders" instead of keeping them truly unique.

Yup. I loved the mixed green, red, and white. I wish they had left it alone.

[AdmiralThunder]

2 hours ago, kriegerfaust said:

 

is Wargaming that cheap or are they A twins, B Clones, C From Parrale worlds where only the name is change, Done is an evil doppelganger E Identity who got surgery only the thief forgot to steal the name with the face

1 hour ago, pepe_trueno said:

well he does change what he is wearing.

today's economy is hard so he is probably impersonating multiple captains to get extra money.

1 hour ago, kriegerfaust said:

you are right , i missed the two extra metals and the shoulder ranks, maybe he changed his identity to escape creditors and got promoted, or the opposite his new persona was demoted

I believe they said on stream once that they use WG employee faces for these Capt portraits (the generic standard ones) and just use different hair styles and colors and such to make them look slightly different. Do they still do this? Not sure but am 99.99% sure they talked about this once while I was watching years ago on their stream.

Yes, they do change insignia and medals and such to coincide with their rank as you raise them up (their rank is based on their point total).

 

Edited November 19, 2023 by AdmiralThunder

[Project45_Opytny]

Standard commanders are rumored to be based on portraits of WG employees and clad in uniforms of different navies they represent. The uniform will have changes in details (rank insignia, medals, etc) corresponding to the commanders' repsective ranks (and a few even managed to identify many of the medals worn by a fully-upgraded Soviet generic commander. In short, had such a Soviet naval commander exist IRL, he wouls be as decorated as Kuznetsov and Oktyabrisky and leave his name in history).

Soviet/Russian commanders have two variants clad in Soviet uniforms or Tsarist Russian uniforms. Pan-Am and Pan-EU are similiar but even more diverse, with Argentinean/Brazilian/Chilean/Peruvian/Colombian/Mexican and Austro-Hungarian/Polish/Swedish/Norwegian/Greek/Yugoslav/Turkish/Dutch (legacy of Friesland) variants. Pan-Asian commanders, for possibly some political reasons, are clad in a sort of generic naval-themed uniform that comes from no exact navy.

[pepe_trueno]

On 11/19/2023 at 5:40 AM, Project45_Opytny said:

Standard commanders are rumored to be based on portraits of WG employees and clad in uniforms of different navies they represent. The uniform will have changes in details (rank insignia, medals, etc) corresponding to the commanders' repsective ranks (and a few even managed to identify many of the medals worn by a fully-upgraded Soviet generic commander. In short, had such a Soviet naval commander exist IRL, he wouls be as decorated as Kuznetsov and Oktyabrisky and leave his name in history).

Soviet/Russian commanders have two variants clad in Soviet uniforms or Tsarist Russian uniforms. Pan-Am and Pan-EU are similiar but even more diverse, with Argentinean/Brazilian/Chilean/Peruvian/Colombian/Mexican and Austro-Hungarian/Polish/Swedish/Norwegian/Greek/Yugoslav/Turkish/Dutch (legacy of Friesland) variants. Pan-Asian commanders, for possibly some political reasons, are clad in a sort of generic naval-themed uniform that comes from no exact navy.

the post went from when can we get more seasoned and unique commanders to what are the commander wearing 😆

[pepe_trueno]

bumping this with some new commander ideas

Cochrane (Pan America unique captain)

unique skill:  For every 10 x ships health of potential damage received, increases all ship's armament reload speed by 5%.

enhaced skills: Consumables Specialist and brisk

Edited November 26, 2023 by pepe_trueno

[Project45_Opytny]

I think I've read from somewhere that WG has stated that they consider two Seasoned commander for each faction is enough and do not want to add more.

[CFagan_1987]

On 11/19/2023 at 3:40 AM, Project45_Opytny said:

Standard commanders are rumored to be based on portraits of WG employees and clad in uniforms of different navies they represent. The uniform will have changes in details (rank insignia, medals, etc) corresponding to the commanders' repsective ranks (and a few even managed to identify many of the medals worn by a fully-upgraded Soviet generic commander. In short, had such a Soviet naval commander exist IRL, he wouls be as decorated as Kuznetsov and Oktyabrisky and leave his name in history).

Soviet/Russian commanders have two variants clad in Soviet uniforms or Tsarist Russian uniforms. Pan-Am and Pan-EU are similiar but even more diverse, with Argentinean/Brazilian/Chilean/Peruvian/Colombian/Mexican and Austro-Hungarian/Polish/Swedish/Norwegian/Greek/Yugoslav/Turkish/Dutch (legacy of Friesland) variants. Pan-Asian commanders, for possibly some political reasons, are clad in a sort of generic naval-themed uniform that comes from no exact navy.

I'm not aware of the Pan-American captains having country specific uniforms in the same manner as the Pan-European captains do with Swedish captains, Austro-Hungarian captains, Norwegian captains, etc. I'm pretty sure the Pan-American captains have one generic uniform style same as the Pan-Asian captains.

Edited November 26, 2023 by CFagan_1987

[pepe_trueno]

5 hours ago, Project45_Opytny said:

I think I've read from somewhere that WG has stated that they consider two Seasoned commander for each faction is enough and do not want to add more.

if they want to stay with 1 unique commander and 2 seasoned commanders per nation that is fine but lets not forget that some nations dont have them: 

spain and pan american  don't have unique nor seasoned commanders

dutch and pan asia don't have unique commanders.

 

 

 

[Project45_Opytny]

5 hours ago, CFagan_1987 said:

I'm not aware of the Pan-American captains having country specific uniforms in the same manner as the Pan-European captains do with Swedish captains, Austro-Hungarian captains, Norwegian captains, etc. I'm pretty sure the Pan-American captains have one generic uniform style same as the Pan-Asian captains.

I'm sure currently Pan-American commanders have national varieties, though not sure about when this feature was added. All previous "Generic" commanders are treated as Argentinean (even the one that came together with Atlantico, possibly due to 9 de Julio has been the first Pan-Am ship). They can be identified with different cap badges.

 

2 hours ago, pepe_trueno said:

if they want to stay with 1 unique commander and 2 seasoned commanders per nation that is fine but lets not forget that some nations dont have them: 

spain and pan american  don't have unique nor seasoned commanders

dutch and pan asia don't have unique commanders.

Pan-Asia now has a full set of unique (Sa Zhenbing) and seasoned commanders.

You'd better complain that we haven't seen Italian seasoned commanders yet despite currently Italy has a "full set" of surface combatants, or Pan-EU seasoned commanders. It may be argued that for younger and also less-developed factions it takes more efforts to decide what perks should be enhanced for seasoned commanders.

[Ensign Cthulhu]

On 11/18/2023 at 4:50 PM, pepe_trueno said:

WG has been on a crusade to burn the excess of resources players have acumulated over the years so why not add an option to use free captain exp to turn a normal commander into a seasoned one? 

This sort of concept is vaguely akin to the Naval Training Centre, the predecessor to the research bureau; a concept which received condemnation from pretty much the entire playerbase. 

Remember, the ultimate Seasoned Commander is Colonel Sanders - but I very much doubt WG has the sort of moolah for the licensing rights to that. 😛 You know you want it, though - 11 tiers, 11 secret herbs and spices... it's a perfect fit! 🐔

[CFagan_1987]

13 hours ago, Project45_Opytny said:

I'm sure currently Pan-American commanders have national varieties, though not sure about when this feature was added. All previous "Generic" commanders are treated as Argentinean (even the one that came together with Atlantico, possibly due to 9 de Julio has been the first Pan-Am ship). They can be identified with different cap badges.

I will check this out today. There's also at least two unique Brazilian captains, one of whom is a historical figure: Pedro Max Fernado Frontin whom I have on my Atlantico.

[Aethervox]

On 11/19/2023 at 12:40 AM, Project45_Opytny said:

Standard commanders are rumored to be based on portraits of WG employees

Thank-you for informing us that we can now 'see' what we really don't want to see. I'm sure (conspiracy theorist here 😁) that, if this is true, then we can be sure the Captain faces are the faces of the upper management Anals who are ruining WoWS. This would fit well with the 'WG' sense of humour we all enjoy so much ("Comrade, you will like this. If not, it's the GULAG for you!"). I mean, they couldn't take our humour, hence, they shut their Forum down.

[pepe_trueno]

On 11/27/2023 at 12:22 PM, Ensign Cthulhu said:

This sort of concept is vaguely akin to the Naval Training Centre, the predecessor to the research bureau; a concept which received condemnation from pretty much the entire playerbase. 

Remember, the ultimate Seasoned Commander is Colonel Sanders - but I very much doubt WG has the sort of moolah for the licensing rights to that. 😛 You know you want it, though - 11 tiers, 11 secret herbs and spices... it's a perfect fit! 🐔

naval training was some big buffs for those players that could grind lines over and over so someone with lots of free exp could get a significant advantage over the rest.

turning standard commander into seasoned commanders does not give the player any more power than what we already have with existing seasoned commander and still inferior to unique commander plus the bonus are nowhere near the bonus given by naval training.

the real funny thing about Naval Training Centre is that everyone was losing their mind about those buff that would turn a t10 into a t11 so we didn't get it, instead we got superships 🤣 

[Project45_Opytny]

2 minutes ago, pepe_trueno said:

naval training was some big buffs for those players that could grind lines over and over so someone with lots of free exp could get a significant advantage over the rest.

turning standard commander into seasoned commanders does not give the player any more power than what we already have with existing seasoned commander and still inferior to unique commander plus the bonus are nowhere near the bonus given by naval training.

the real funny thing about Naval Training Centre is that everyone was losing their mind about those buff that would turn a t10 into a t11 so we didn't get it, instead we got superships 🤣 

Reinventing square wheels...

It's still an advantage in an absolute manner (in contrast to the "sidegrade or different gaming experience" doctrine of the current RB) over the standard set of one unique commander and only two seasoned commanders, with any other researchable ships have to be commanded by regular commanders.

Superships after their early access periods are much better in terms of availability (at least 3 Tech tree T10s and the T10 from the Supership's respective branch, with enough credits) in contrast to, say, an analogy of locking all superships behind an NTC/RB grind.