The Inability of the Player Base to Play Operations - What Gives??

[Asym]

A rant.

It's been several days of Personal Challenges and the only place for 1,200, 1,400 and up are Operations !

And, to make it even worse, it seems a large number of players during the day simply don't know how to play operations; don't care at all about any form of team work; nor, simply give a crap about this game....  

It's too much anymore to take.  I guess I'm just going to not try anymore in the Personal Challenges because I simply can only succeed when we division at Night with 6 or 7 players....

What are your experiences lately????

Edited October 24, 2023 by Asym

[Asym]

PS....why don't we, those of us on this forum Division "during the day US ES/CST?"  Now, there are some that say: "I'll never division with anyone" out there;  BUT, I'm assuming there might be 5 or 6 that would....

 

Edited October 24, 2023 by Asym

[GMMF]

I detached from the main team to deal with one of the CVs at Raptor Rescue, nearly killed it but suddenly game ends. Somehow the 3 cruisers that spawn from North managed to push near the Ranger and sunk her, even when there's escort including a Mainz. Kinda a first for me since usually Mainz players are the most reliable beings in ops, guess I got unlucky in that game. 

I usually hope there's less Mainz/Bayard in my team as they are very efficient in farming above everyone else, but one or two is ok because they can hold their own in most cases, and when I am grinding sub optimal ships in ops, they do the main carry. If I am the one Mainz/Bayard in team, most of the times the boat is enough to carry the whole team to complete the main task.

[Wolfswetpaws]

4 hours ago, Asym said:

PS....why don't we, those of us on this forum Division "during the day US ES/CST?"  Now, there are some that say: "I'll never division with anyone" out there;  BUT, I'm assuming there might be 5 or 6 that would....

 

You know how to find me, if we're online at the same time.  🙂 

[SunkCostFallacy]

Back when OPs wasn't random I did some research and watched a bunch of videos on a particular OP, then went and queued for it. It was so long ago, btw, that I can't remember which OP it was.

As soon as we spawned in I announced that this was my first ever match in OPs and that I'd watched some videos, but if anyone saw me getting it wrong, please tell me. Everyone was cool with that, and the match proceeded quite well and I did adequately.

Now, however, I'm uncomfortable with the idea of queuing for an OPs match because I don't know what I'm going to end up in ... so I don't know what videos to watch to get up to speed on how to play that OP ... and I don't want to turn up with zero clue and screw up the rest of the team.

I suspect, however, that not everyone has the same perspective on it and plenty of people are willing to queue with no idea how to play a particular operation.

[Wolfswetpaws]

16 minutes ago, SunkCostFallacy said:

Back when OPs wasn't random I did some research and watched a bunch of videos on a particular OP, then went and queued for it. It was so long ago, btw, that I can't remember which OP it was.

As soon as we spawned in I announced that this was my first ever match in OPs and that I'd watched some videos, but if anyone saw me getting it wrong, please tell me. Everyone was cool with that, and the match proceeded quite well and I did adequately.

Now, however, I'm uncomfortable with the idea of queuing for an OPs match because I don't know what I'm going to end up in ... so I don't know what videos to watch to get up to speed on how to play that OP ... and I don't want to turn up with zero clue and screw up the rest of the team.

I suspect, however, that not everyone has the same perspective on it and plenty of people are willing to queue with no idea how to play a particular operation.

The Scenario Operation's maps are available via the WOWs wiki pages.

Pick whatever operations-compatible ship you want to sail, and sail the heck out of it.

I suggest not worrying about win/loss outcome. 
Sure, you'll do your best to win.  But there's no need to become too obsessed with it.  Everyone gets sunk, sooner or later. 
Win?  Great.  Loss?  Better luck next time. 
Make some silly happy memories with whatever challenges present themselves.  🙂 

[DoW_]

The Op that really confuses me is Killer Whale and the insistence of players to go super deep into the base.  I totally did it the first few times back in the day before I understood what was all required…but when one checks profiles post match and folks have more than 10k matches, it makes my head hurt. 

Thanks for the vent  

 

[Asym]

On 10/26/2023 at 4:16 PM, DoW_ said:

The Op that really confuses me is Killer Whale and the insistence of players to go super deep into the base.  I totally did it the first few times back in the day before I understood what was all required…but when one checks profiles post match and folks have more than 10k matches, it makes my head hurt. 

Thanks for the vent 

Yeah, we all need to vent sometimes.  The night before last, it was the third try at Aegis.....  With a division of six, we seldom lose but, geeze Marie, a five star win was rare....  I just happened to take that Asian DD with an a bizzilion deep water torps and simply sank all three BB's for the first time.....  But, it is hard sometimes playing alone during the day and not having several knowledgeably players.....  Or, taking the wrong ship and getting an OP that ship simply hates.....

[Ensign Cthulhu]

On 10/26/2023 at 6:46 PM, DoW_ said:

Killer Whale and the insistence of players to go super deep into the base.

That's not the problem. The problem is that they don't immediately start thinking about their egress as soon as the exit zone appears. They stay too long to farm and they turn a five-star win into a dead loss by either refusing to exit or refusing to suicide in order to meet the 50% out condition. 

[Wolfswetpaws]

On 10/26/2023 at 5:16 PM, DoW_ said:

The Op that really confuses me is Killer Whale and the insistence of players to go super deep into the base.  I totally did it the first few times back in the day before I understood what was all required…but when one checks profiles post match and folks have more than 10k matches, it makes my head hurt. 

Thanks for the vent  

 

Back when Scenario Operations were not random, and we'd have the same operation all week, I could sail my Tier-6 CV's in Killer Whale.

I'd set a course deep into the map and end-up near grids D/E/F/G-9 and my hull's secondary battery guns would destroy land-based facilities and perhas a cargo ship that was attempting to escape.

I'd let the auto-pilot handle the maneuvers and let the sec-bat guns destroy nearby targets of opportunity while I controlled the sqadrons and performed reconnaisance or strikes upon red-team ships.
Once the harbor was cleared of red-team ships, I'd plot a new auto-pilot course of way-points and sail for the exit.

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Operation_Killer_Whale

 

Edited October 31, 2023 by Wolfswetpaws

[Asym]

On 10/31/2023 at 6:59 AM, Ensign Cthulhu said:

That's not the problem. The problem is that they don't immediately start thinking about their egress as soon as the exit zone appears. They stay too long to farm and they turn a five-star win into a dead loss by either refusing to exit or refusing to suicide in order to meet the 50% out condition. 

This ^^^^^.   Killer Whale is all about two decisions:  exit strategy and saving two stars by thwarting the scenarios "spoilers" that occur right after you have to depart the bay....

And, if someone exploits the Northern route and fails, that usually screws up the rest of the match:  especially,  when two ships fight over that exploit and now, you don't have the combat power for exiting....

[hipcanuck]

On 10/26/2023 at 5:16 PM, DoW_ said:

The Op that really confuses me is Killer Whale and the insistence of players to go super deep into the base.  I totally did it the first few times back in the day before I understood what was all required…but when one checks profiles post match and folks have more than 10k matches, it makes my head hurt. 

Thanks for the vent  

 

Once I was forced to make the dash to the north exit in my Kaga, I was the only ship left and I had to cross open water in close range of the Gne and the DD. I had no business surviving that rush (can a Kaga actually rush?) and was very surprised I made it. I typically just camp out behind the island and take out the Fuso's while my team farms and exits. But it seems lately so many are out of position, dont have the right ships for Ops (seeing a T6 drives me nuts) cant prioritize targets or are just flat out bad.

[Wolfswetpaws]

39 minutes ago, hipcanuck said:

(seeing a T6 drives me nuts)

There was a time when scenario operations were restricted to certain tiers of ships, most being tier-6.
I've sailed my Tier-6 CV's in Killer Whale a number of times.  

How "deep" one can sail their ship depends upon their ship's top-speed, in my opinion.
Slow BB's would be wise to get into the harbor, but refrain from going too deep, so that they're not adding unnecessary distance to their pathing.