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A fascinating subject - Warships in movies. Here, we discuss various aspects. * How were they represented, and how accurate were the stand-ins? * How faithfully reproduced are the maneuvers, the battles? * what happened to the ships afterward, and where did they end up? * How accurately, in terms of their life stories and actions, are the people on both sides enacted? What did their futures hold in stock for them? This Club was initiated by Admiral_Karasu in April 2024

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  2. Admiral_Karasu

    The Month of the Titanic 2024

    Here's Titanic: Honor & Glory 112th Anniversary stream. There are new animations, interviews, and also some wreck footage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6ZpkNbwscA
  3. Does anyone have some thoughts about the mistakes both Harwood and Langsdorff were criticized for during and after the battle?
  4. Admiral_Karasu

    The Month of the Titanic 2024

    Yes, there wasn't much in the way of special effects you had in the 50s, so the result is pretty convincing all things considered. There is also a colorized version, but I think the purists prefer the black and white original.
  5. HogHammer

    The Month of the Titanic 2024

    It's a great black-and-white movie (A Night to Remember). The effects at the time the movie was made are very good.
  6. We are almost half way through the month of the Titanic so I thought I'd post some links to mark the occasion. The Titanic Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic Possibly the most highly regarded movie on the Titanic is the epic 'A Night to Remember' based on the similarly titled book by Walter Lord. You can find material on the film on YouTube, such as these: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Titanic+a+night+to+remember 'A Night to Remember' on Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Night_to_Remember_(1958_film) Some of you may remember hearing about Titanic: Honor and Glory at some point, they have a webpage and you can also find Titanic Project 401 there along with a donwloadable Demo 401, current version is V2.1.2. https://www.titanichg.com/ https://www.titanichg.com/project-401 Recently posted Titanic videos on YouTube: Let's Play Stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J69MLict-DI Second Stream has Mike Brady too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlsa2kLWY44 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__2oN6pCWXg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1aGVEjiGus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lktluZgEAvA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-ZFqjrMdSk
  7. I hope everyone's found the time to watch the Battle of the River Plate. Did you spontaneously spot any glaring inaccuracies, goofs, or some other weird things when watching the movie. I myself first noticed how odd it was to see a bearded Langsdorff, pretty much as puzzled as when I spotted a beardless Lord Pirrie (yes, it's April again) though that's another story and another movie (actually a TV series). Later on Langsdorff appeared clean shaven as we've seen him photographs as well. Did he let his beard grow somewhat at sea in the manner akin to that of U-boat officers and men, or was it some fashion statement?
  8. Correct, 1981 Excalibur 1981 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082348/
  9. I know Drachinifel has something on this, and there are probably a lot of others as well out there. Basically, it's good if you know how to get the details, I just posted something so that folks here could have some reference point because the movie may leave a lot of questions unanswered, though it does a pretty good job at pointing out some details as well as the general tactic of forcing the Graf Spee to divide it's main guns between two flanks.
  10. I've seen that or similar (possibly Drachinifel). I don't think the flim did a very good job of making the tactics comprehensible. It was all ship-board action. Or for that matter describing the difference between CAs and CLs. But that's the naval historian in me.
  11. 1981, I think. Yep, '81. I've seen it 3-4 times and would watch it again. There's even a good documentary on the making of. It was Boorman's passion project and made on a very small budget. The Making of Excalibur: Myth Into Movie
  12. Ah, Sejanus. He was obviously an established actor at that point. I, Claudius perhaps my all-time favorite Masterpiece Theater. The books I, Claudius and Claudius the God are even better. Debut was in the very underappreciated film Excalibur. Nigel Terry, Helen Mirren, Nichol Williamson. Also the film debut for Liam Neeson and Gabriel Byrne. Anáil nathrach, ortha bháis is beatha, do chéal déanaimh
  13. Yes, Anthony Quayle played Commodore Henry Harwood and was on the bridge of the Ajax. Christopher Lee was indeed the bar owner who kept ranting in Spanish. Donald Moffat, can't blame you for instantly placing him, but he's played US Presidents in two films (pretty good for an English actor) and Garry in the Thing. But Bernard Lee..... King Theoden? As for Patrick Stewart... can't readily remember. The earliest I've seen him was on TV, on Claudius. He's likely been in a number of Shakespeare productions too, but when would his earliest movie have been. Sometime in the sixties, likely, but couldn't know without popping over to IMDB for a quick look...
  14. Anthony Quayle was one of the bridge officers. A distinctive and familiar face. Peter Finch I know, but I couldn't recognize him as Langsdorff. Bernard Lee, of course, is King Theoden. Patrick McNee is Steed from The Avengers. Roger Delgado was the first Master in Doctor Who, and a great friend of Jon Pertwee who was supposed to be on Hood's last mission. Christopher Lee has been in everything, but I don't recall recognizing him in this film. The bar owner maybe? I know the name Donald Moffat but can't place him. And John Schlesinger, you say? Cool. That's a damn strong cast. Trivia time: What film was Patrick Stewart's film debut?
  15. I think it's interesting how the hull number 139 was explained away. 139 is the Salem hull number (Graf Spee in film). I suppose the film studio was not allowed to cover up the number, in any case in the film Capt. Langsdorff holds up a book for Capt. Dove to see, and Dove says "Jane!" To which Langsdorff replies "Yes, Jane - a very useful publication". And yes, it is the annual reference book 'Janes Fighting Ships'. In it, a photograph and details of the USS Pensacola/ Pensacola class ships. Dove says: "So that's why you've got the number painted on your bows". In fact, Pensacola had the hull number 24 (CA-24). I suppose the need to use Pensacola as a pretend target is because unlike Salem, she served in the war.
  16. Some excerpts from the book can be seen here: https://maritimequest.com/freighters/02_pages/a/africa_shell_1938_related_material.htm Somewhat related, this is the diary of a captain who was held prisoner on the Altmark. https://www.cnrs-scrn.org/northern_mariner/vol11/nm_11_1_39to57.pdf Some short snippets from accounts of various people. https://www.tracesofwar.com/thewarillustrated/17/i-was-there-we-were-prisoners-on-the-graf-spee.asp
  17. Apparently they did get along just swell, with Captain Dove writing a book about the episode and speaking warmly of Langsdorff: 'I Was Graf Spee's Prisoner'. I've searched the net hoping that someone might have it, but no joy. Book cover, from Amazon.de:
  18. I believe this film accurately portrays the early war tactics of these surface raiders and some of the u-boats to fight a gentleman’s war. They would stop a ship, allow the crew to disembark, pick them up, then sink the ship. The relatively friendly and obviously respectful way the crews treat each other in the movie reflects it. Once radio calls for help began to make that tactic far too dangerous the Germans shifted to unrestricted warfare of the kind seen in Greyhound.
  19. An interesting question. Wikipedia names several ships that were there, but not necessarily all of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Suez_Crisis USS Salem was in the area, though, and HMS Birmingham (played the Graf Spee in the refueling scene and in the funeral scene) was also in the Mediterranean so potentially could have been involved.
  20. I noticed the ships were freshly painted in the movie. Did any of these ships participate in the Suez Canal Crises the same year of the movie?
  21. When it comes to movies, I'm typically fond of checking up things about them, details such as filming locations and backgrounds of the actors. This is a British movie production so, rather unsurprisingly, I think the cast is made up of British actors. The three top billed actors are John Gregson, Anthony Quayle, and Peter Finch. Now, maybe the British audiences are more familiar with Gregson (who played the captain of the Exeter) but his name doesn't ring any bells for me, either before the salvo or otherwise. Anthony Quayle is the one who's the most familiar of the tree to me. Finch sort of in between I'd say. All three of them (and many others in the cast) were in service during WW2, Gregson in the Royal Navy. While not top billed, the central character of the film is the captain of the Africa Shell, Patrick Dove, played by Bernard Lee (everyone knows him, right?). The first German officer we see is played by the Oscar winning director John Schlesinger. Other names I can recognize are Patrick Macnee, Roger Delgago, Christopher Lee, Jeremy Kemp and Donald Moffat. Patrick Dove is also credited with a minor role as Captain Streonshalh. His prior acting experience was in 1940, in the movie 'For Freedom' in which he played captain Patrick G. G. Dove (himself, that is). That movie was a dramatization of the events leading to the war, extending to the raiding action of the Graf Spee.
  22. I've added links to a number of Wikipedia pages, for the battle, the movie, the Graf Spee, the USS Salem and a lot of others as well. These links are in the 'appropriate' threads. The ship links are in this thread, for instance.
  23. Apparently Langsdorff planned to go down with his ship but was persuaded by his crew not to. Nonetheless, after having sorted out things for his crew in Argentina, he decided to atone for his feeling of guilt by committing suicide. It's a difficult call to judge him either way, as no one knows how the second battle might have played out. The only thing that is certain is that a lot more men would have died.
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