Aethervox Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Not many. Have you looked lately? EU: Where is the full Cruiser line? By this I mean T2 - T10. Commonwealth: Where is the DD line? Again, T2 - T10. Pan American: Where are the DDs? Also, could have T2 - T10. Pan Asian: Did Wedgie forget about T2 - T4 Cruisers? Do they even care? Conceivably, these lines are all that's left of historical tech tree lines not yet added to this game. I do not include fantasy lines (the T8 - T10 extras such as more 'wooden shoe' Cruisers, etc) nor fantasy BBs (any bets on when these are going to show up?) 2
MidnightPhoenix07 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 3 minutes ago, Aethervox said: Pan Asian: Did Wedgie forget about T2 - T4 Cruisers? Do they even care? Probably not. If they didn’t do low and mid tier Pan Am battleships (with actual real world designs for all but t7 probably, and representing a significant period in naval shipbuilding), I doubt we’ll ever get a low tier extension of the Pan Asian cruisers. We can probably also get another couple lines of destroyers (like US destroyer leaders), and a couple more sub lines. Possibly some more cruiser lines too (like French and German light cruisers), although those would probably need some more paper and what if ships to fill out. After that, it’s either extend the tech trees down into pre dreadnoughts (which very likely wouldn’t work and need to be a fully separate game), up to uber super duper mega ships (which has its own problems), or fantasy lines and nations. Like the Mongolian navy that was a running joke sometimes on the old forums. 3
Nevermore135 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) 54 minutes ago, MidnightPhoenix07 said: We can probably also get another couple lines of destroyers (like US destroyer leaders), and a couple more sub lines. Possibly some more cruiser lines too (like French and German light cruisers), although those would probably need some more paper and what if ships to fill out. German Panzerschiffe/large cruisers are a better bet for another German line, IMO, especially considering the lineage of the new Dutch CLs. Lesta elected not to introduce a line of high tier German CLs with 38mm HE pen (150mm) and I wouldn’t be surprised if the WoWs dev team ends up following the same course. Edited January 10 by Nevermore135 1
_KlRlTO_ Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Off the top of my head, the following lines can still be added with at least a little bit of reality: Japanese Support CV (VI Zuiho, VIII Hiryu, and X Taiho) Japanese Submarines US Destroyer leaders Soviet Submarines (I think next line after Dutch light cruisers) German Super Cruisers (Mostly paper, but starting with Deutshland (Same class as Graf Spee) at 6 or 7, real steel) French Aircraft Carriers (All paper, but actual intended designs and not all made up.) French Submarines Commonwealth Aircraft Carriers (Surprisingly real steel) Commonwealth Destroyers Pan American Destroyers Dutch Destroyers I may be forgetting something. Note that all historical Battleship lines are done, and the German super cruisers are the only cruiser line, aside from maybe a Pan Europe line, but that would be just as paper. 2 1
Itwastuesday Posted January 10 Posted January 10 They can add pretty much anything. Also they could start reworking old TT lines at some point the way they did with soviet cruisers. 2
IfYouSeeKhaos Posted January 10 Posted January 10 8 hours ago, Aethervox said: Not many. Have you looked lately? EU: Where is the full Cruiser line? By this I mean T2 - T10. Commonwealth: Where is the DD line? Again, T2 - T10. Pan American: Where are the DDs? Also, could have T2 - T10. Pan Asian: Did Wedgie forget about T2 - T4 Cruisers? Do they even care? Conceivably, these lines are all that's left of historical tech tree lines not yet added to this game. I do not include fantasy lines (the T8 - T10 extras such as more 'wooden shoe' Cruisers, etc) nor fantasy BBs (any bets on when these are going to show up?) Per your title there can be full lines (with alternate lines) of each of the classes in every nation they have in the game because just because you don't include them doesn't mean they can't... It's a game... it's not a history lesson. If it was a book it would be in the fiction section of the library...not the non fiction section. 2
Asym Posted January 10 Posted January 10 AS mentioned, Japanese Submarines; especially, the I-400 series. They could/would be an entire branch of subs. Tiers 6 through *.... And, the IJN anti-air versions of the Akizuki line of DD's with Radars and changes to their capabilities... A German AA line of "Flak Ships". All sorts of frigates and corvettes and DE's...... Jeep Carriers. Anti-sub Carriers (escort carriers...) Them let's not miss the Cold war and missiles...... 2
MBT808 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) 11 hours ago, MidnightPhoenix07 said: German light cruisers), although those would probably need some more paper and what if ships to fill out. Actually, only one paper ship at tier VII and two what ifs for the tier IX and X. The majority of the line is historical up to Seydlitz at tier VIII. The IX and X might have some paper designs, but you’d have to venture into the German archives to find out for sure. However, one possibility is 17cm artillery for the IX and X. If fantasy/what if is the only option, 17cm equipped Mainz would make for a great tier X. A whole line for German CLs is here on devstrike. Edited January 10 by MBT808
MBT808 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) 1 hour ago, Asym said: A German AA line of "Flak Ships". No, let’s not do what Lesta did with their janky German CLs. Those ships are legit abominations and do not fit with the German CLs up to tier VI. Edited January 10 by MBT808 2 1
Admiral_Karasu Posted January 10 Posted January 10 I always want to bring up the Swiss navy as an option. It has to be a force to reckon with since one of my distant cousins, smart enough to become an engineer admiral, got thrown in jail at one point accused of spying for the Swiss Navy. 2
Ensign Cthulhu Posted January 10 Posted January 10 @Aethervox You need to have some patience. Where is this? Where is that? Where is the other? you ask. Why don't we have all these things already? Who does this remind me of? 2 hours ago, Asym said: Them let's not miss the Cold war and missiles...... Oh man, if they gave us the historical, built-in-steel USS Little Rock in her CLG-4 form, with even half-realistic missile armament, I would so whale for that. 1
Asym Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 minute ago, Ensign Cthulhu said: @Aethervox You need to have some patience. Where is this? Where is that? Where is the other? you ask. Why don't we have all these things already? Who does this remind me of? Oh man, if they gave us the historical, built-in-steel USS Little Rock in her CLG-4 form, with even half-realistic missile armament, I would so whale for that. The possibilities of the Steel Ship Cold War, as I have discussed before many times, would be an entire game itself. We've talked about SLARM's and Radar before and that alone, would make the game "more interesting" because it would be a "counter" to mitigate radar ships farming everything.... An, since they are "steel ships", they could take more damage and make the matches longer... But, I am not sure the game engine can handle missiles.... Cause, those early missiles were "directed" via radar.... Kind of like the subs "ping" mechanics... I am not sure they'd have the skill to figure that out and implement it.... But Oh ! it would be a fun change...
Asym Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Ensign Cthulhu said: @Aethervox You need to have some patience. Where is this? Where is that? Where is the other? you ask. Why don't we have all these things already? Who does this remind me of? Oh man, if they gave us the historical, built-in-steel USS Little Rock in her CLG-4 form, with even half-realistic missile armament, I would so whale for that. I forgot ! I've been after the I-400 series subs for a long time now. Imagine, instead of a Plane, the external hanger was converted into a long range anti-missile launcher with 4 large AS missiles ! The I-400's already had two sets of radar ! Imagine guiding their launched missiles at Snorkle depth !!!! Oh, cry havoc ! And, let the dogs of modern war loose ! Edited January 10 by Asym
Admiral_Karasu Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Before you guys even start dreaming about cold war ships and missiles, let me remind you how even as it is the maps we have are too small on the higher tiers, especially, and also considering the time acceleration we have in the game when it comes to missile technology. WG would need to overhaul the entire game engine and environment, IMO, to give us operational scale maps. Do you see that happening? 1 2
Asym Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Just now, Admiral_Karasu said: Before you guys even start dreaming about cold war ships and missiles, let me remind you how even as it is the maps we have are too small on the higher tiers, especially, and also considering the time acceleration we have in the game when it comes to missile technology. WG would need to overhaul the entire game engine and environment, IMO, to give us operational scale maps. Do you see that happening? Phffft ! Nooooooo. But, we said the same thing with Homing Torpedoes ! And, here we are: on congested, small. time compressed maps with ZERO hope of ever seeing larger maps in our life times... But, we can dream, yes ?! 1
Gillhunter Posted January 10 Posted January 10 4 hours ago, IfYouSeeKhaos said: Per your title there can be full lines (with alternate lines) of each of the classes in every nation they have in the game because just because you don't include them doesn't mean they can't... It's a game... it's not a history lesson. If it was a book it would be in the fiction section of the library...not the non fiction section. I beg to differ. Early on WOWs went to a lot of effort to make the ships fairly accurate. They even delayed the introduction of the British line because they had a difficult time getting ship details to model them. Of course with the increased monetization of the game all that would be thrown out the window. I wish they would offer a "Classic" version of the game say from the 2016-17 era. I would get it in a heartbeat. 2
Ensign Cthulhu Posted January 10 Posted January 10 6 minutes ago, Gillhunter said: I wish they would offer a "Classic" version of the game say from the 2016-17 era. I would get it in a heartbeat. Once you remembered what RTS carriers could do, you would be running back here in a hurry. 1
Gillhunter Posted January 10 Posted January 10 31 minutes ago, Ensign Cthulhu said: Once you remembered what RTS carriers could do, you would be running back here in a hurry. I very well remember what RTS carriers could do, and no I wouldn't. I didn't mind them at all. I kinda like deplaning them. 2
22 cm Posted January 10 Posted January 10 13 hours ago, MidnightPhoenix07 said: Like the Mongolian navy that was a running joke sometimes on the old forums. On EU forums the joke was about the Swiss navy... 1
mashed68 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Whats the point? So they are out of lines.....I didn't start playing the game for new ships to be added all the time. There's plenty to choose from already. 2
Admiral_Karasu Posted January 10 Posted January 10 2 hours ago, Gillhunter said: I very well remember what RTS carriers could do, and no I wouldn't. I didn't mind them at all. I kinda like deplaning them. Likewise. I played WoWS with the RTS carriers for three and a half years and those were the best years this game ever saw. Of course, I don't think the explanation can be as simple as it all being down to just the RTS carriers, but the CV rework remains a huge misstep regardless in my book. 1 3
Aethervox Posted January 10 Author Posted January 10 3 hours ago, Ensign Cthulhu said: Once you remembered what RTS carriers could do, you would be running back here in a hurry. I'd get all my old RTS CVs back & would love them. 2 hours ago, Gillhunter said: I very well remember what RTS carriers could do, and no I wouldn't. I didn't mind them at all. I kinda like deplaning them. I avoided the deplaner CVs so I could send in good strikes onto the enemy ships. The tentacle monster 'conveniently ignores' how the old AA regime was also completely ruined when the 'reworked CV disaster' was forced onto WoWS. 😁
Admiral_Karasu Posted January 10 Posted January 10 4 minutes ago, Aethervox said: I'd get all my old RTS CVs back & would love them. I avoided the deplaner CVs so I could send in good strikes onto the enemy ships. The tentacle monster 'conveniently ignores' how the old AA regime was also completely ruined when the 'reworked CV disaster' was forced onto WoWS. 😁 Well, it's been suggested that the old AA was too 'generous'. Nonetheless, going from a situation where an overly efficient AA allowed to completely deplane a CV to a situation where no amount of AA makes any difference to a CV's attack potential is not something I would call a 'balanced' move. 2 1
aleksi111 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) 4 hours ago, Admiral_Karasu said: Before you guys even start dreaming about cold war ships and missiles, let me remind you how even as it is the maps we have are too small on the higher tiers, especially, and also considering the time acceleration we have in the game when it comes to missile technology. WG would need to overhaul the entire game engine and environment, IMO, to give us operational scale maps. Do you see that happening? But it's not missile gu'nor, honest! It's just radar/radio homing glide/skip bomb 😈 Edited January 10 by aleksi111 1 2
Gnirf Posted January 10 Posted January 10 17 hours ago, _KlRlTO_ said: Off the top of my head, the following lines can still be added with at least a little bit of reality: Japanese Support CV (VI Zuiho, VIII Hiryu, and X Taiho) Japanese Submarines US Destroyer leaders Soviet Submarines (I think next line after Dutch light cruisers) German Super Cruisers (Mostly paper, but starting with Deutshland (Same class as Graf Spee) at 6 or 7, real steel) French Aircraft Carriers (All paper, but actual intended designs and not all made up.) French Submarines Commonwealth Aircraft Carriers (Surprisingly real steel) Commonwealth Destroyers Pan American Destroyers Dutch Destroyers I may be forgetting something. Note that all historical Battleship lines are done, and the German super cruisers are the only cruiser line, aside from maybe a Pan Europe line, but that would be just as paper. I think there is other opportunities in the old navies, to a degree you work with same models and may modify them to certain time periods in order to make them viable. I will just give a few examples , the USN and RN have plenty of ships still left in all classes, IJN and RU have plenty of designs to use also in BBs. But my key point is f.e. do a RN DD line with much the similar ships but other tools.You can do a USN DD line w radar from T8 and some other disadvantages to compensate. RN DDs with normal smoke and torpedo racks. French DDs with smoke. US/RN Battleships with some sort of MRB. Variations in hydro smoke secondaries torp range. I know that they will be copies of other nations traits or some other combination but it is not difficult to get many more ships. Especially with paper designs. Hiraga archive is plentiful, see the book Hachi-Hachi fleet which I have (its in Japanese but I bought it for the plans, colour plates and photos). Vickers designs for various countries in modernized form or in WW1 style. Considering they have put out totally fictious Swedish battleships of T9, I see no reason that they could make Austria Hungary Ships quite high up (what if A_H existed beyond WW1....) Greece Salamis and the French Bretagne ship that they ordered but neverwere. Salamis was launched so at least there was a intention to build. A Commonwealth battleship line is also possible. Latin America as well, I mean they have not scratched the real ships there and f.e. Italy designed Battleships for LA navies in the 30s. 2
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