TT BB's and asym battles

[Jagerbomb_2021]

After grinding the Montana, Yamato, Preussen, Schlieffen and St. Vincent lines in previous iterations of asymmetric battles, I have come to the conclusion that either I suck at battleships all of a sudden, or the French and Italian lines suck. I'm currently on the Alsace now and after 8 or so battles, I am only averaging 60k damage per game. Using AP only gets me overpens or ricochets, if I even hit anything. The Italian line I'm stalled at F Caracciola and that's even more frustrating. I have plenty of blue boosters and I'm only getting around 9K XP on a win. I don't remember it being this bad on the lines I already finished. I'm a PVE only player and asym battles seem to be better than grinding in operations.

The other BB lines I need to finish are Vermont, Louisiana, Kremlin, Bungo and Conqueror. I have up to T7 on all the lines. Are any of the better than the above or am I hopeless in BB's now.

[Wolfswetpaws]

Getting 60,000+ damage in a Co-op battle is decent.
Doing that in a high-tier Asymmetric battle might be improved upon.

I tend to load H.E. while still far away from ships, because it is more effective upon the DD's and light-cruisers that are likely to be spotted early in a battle.
When I get closer and in a more favorable position, then I'll load AP when I'm getting ready to do a jousting pass and fire point-blank into their broadsides.

[Kynami]

Alsace is actually pretty good. Enough so that I enjoy playing the Wujing and especially the Bourgogne. But you will be subject to a bit of dispersion memes if you are trying too hard with only AP.

What you need to remember is that you have the shell count to make HE quite viable while looking for opportunities for AP. And to get those opportunities you absolutely need to go wide. Setting up camp on the 2 or 9 line and pushing as far forward as you can get away with is the play on most maps.

As for the Italian line its even harder dispersion memes. And sitting on SAP for the early portion of the game and taking big chunks off of ships before switching to AP to look for finishing shots is more of the game plan.

[palestreamer]

The Italian line is tough to get through, they don't seem to shine compared to some other lines. Stick it out though, C. Colombo is excellent. I just got it, it has great dispersion, SAP and smoke. Going to be a favourite T10. Definitely going to work on RB points to get the legendary upgrade, which makes the dispersion even better.

[Kruzenstern]

The Kackracciolo is indeed quite the turd. I had a hate-hate relationship with her and eventually freeXPed. Veneto is a little better, but also no good by a long shot. I fear the only competent ship in the italian BB techtree is the Colombo.

The french on the other hand should perform, Richelieu epecially performs well for me and I have seen others do very well in it too. And Alsace should not be so much worse.

What can hinder your score in all non-secondary BBs is the proliferation of secondary BBs, especially the south american ones. They will steal all the damage because they are that much better for asyms (and really, all PvE) than almost any traditional BB. Even good BBs that don't have boosted secs stink off against mediocre ones that DO have boosted secs. If you have an Alsace and there are 2 Los Andes in battle with you, chances are very high you won't do much damage no matter how well you play (Actually one Andes might be enough if he knows what he's doing).

Playing my newly acquired Thunderer next to my divmate's Libertad he outdamages me by a good margin even when I feel like I did pretty well.

[GandalfTehGray]

11 hours ago, Jagerbomb_2021 said:

After grinding the Montana, Yamato, Preussen, Schlieffen and St. Vincent lines in previous iterations of asymmetric battles, I have come to the conclusion that either I suck at battleships all of a sudden, or the French and Italian lines suck. I'm currently on the Alsace now and after 8 or so battles, I am only averaging 60k damage per game. Using AP only gets me overpens or ricochets, if I even hit anything. The Italian line I'm stalled at F Caracciola and that's even more frustrating. I have plenty of blue boosters and I'm only getting around 9K XP on a win. I don't remember it being this bad on the lines I already finished. I'm a PVE only player and asym battles seem to be better than grinding in operations.

The other BB lines I need to finish are Vermont, Louisiana, Kremlin, Bungo and Conqueror. I have up to T7 on all the lines. Are any of the better than the above or am I hopeless in BB's now.

You are playing the 2 worst accuracy/dispersion battleships. Both tend to also have high shell velocity and tend to overpen at closer ranges. I'd recommend trying to catch the cruisers while they are turning broadside rather than holding the shot until they are broadside. 

I used asym to finish Vermont, Louisiana, Kremlin, Conquerer, and now Libertad as of yesterday. It is absolutely the best way to grind battleships currently available. (Unless you are an excellent BB player than ranked probably is) 

I tend to stick with AP all the time because I'm looking for the best shot available, a fire on a BB may get you about 15-20k damage while a AP salvo can get you 30k and a kill. (British HE may be used more liberally due to its strong qualities, but I tended to rotate shots between ships since asym bots will let 1 fire burn) 

 

 

[Scorpion_Raider37]

I sold my T9 and T10 French BBs because they're wildly inconsistent. Already have the Wujing so I don't need the Alsace.

I would suggest using HE more than AP when you use your high tier French BBs. I know, it's stupid but it is what it is. They make GK look accurate.

[HuskerBill]

[mashed68]

Never had issues with the French ships, especially Alsace. 

Italians are either great or terrible depending on RNG, sounds like you are experiencing the latter. 

[Ramsalot]

Personally, I find brawls and ranked are by far the best modes to grind any ships, as long as those modes accept the tier you are working on.  These game modes provide for best XP/time ratio.  I found most PVE modes lacking in the XP generation for time spend context, exception would be special modes like Star Trek, but you could only play specific ships there.

[Jagerbomb_2021]

1 hour ago, Ramsalot said:

Personally, I find brawls and ranked are by far the best modes to grind any ships, as long as those modes accept the tier you are working on.  These game modes provide for best XP/time ratio.

I only like to play the PVE modes because I just want to play the game and relax. I'm pushing 60 with some unresolved heart issues and work 50+ hours per week, and that gives me enough stress. I don't want to ruin anyone else's having experience by being a potato,  nor do I need the added stress of them getting pissed at me.  I tried randoms my first 400+ games and it was too frustrating. 

I've decided I'm going to continue the Alsace line, currently needing about 200K XP, and try the Bungo line. At the moment I'm not sure how much longer asymmetric battles last bit I can finish the grinds in operations afterwards. I can also use some FXP to help since I'm currently sitting on roughly 2.8 million. 

[mashed68]

2 hours ago, Ramsalot said:

Personally, I find brawls and ranked are by far the best modes to grind any ships, as long as those modes accept the tier you are working on.  These game modes provide for best XP/time ratio.  I found most PVE modes lacking in the XP generation for time spend context, exception would be special modes like Star Trek, but you could only play specific ships there.

Brawls suck if its team based because a loss is like 500xp or something pathetic. 

Ranked games take me a lot of time personally.