I'm having a good laugh right now.......

[Lord_Slayer]

So this popped up on my google home page:

https://armyrecognition.com/news/navy-news/2024/uss-iowa-virginia-class-submarine-joins-the-us-navy-with-superior-stealth-and-strike-capabilities

 

The particular laughing moment is as follows:

 

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This submarine is the first to bear the name USS Iowa and is the fifth U.S. naval vessel named after the state of Iowa. The most notable predecessor was the USS Iowa (BB-61), a battleship that served in World War II, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War.

 

[Wolfswetpaws]

10 minutes ago, Lord_Slayer said:

So this popped up on my google home page:

https://armyrecognition.com/news/navy-news/2024/uss-iowa-virginia-class-submarine-joins-the-us-navy-with-superior-stealth-and-strike-capabilities

 

The particular laughing moment is as follows:

 

 

Heh.
Tell me you're clueless about history, ships and writing headlines without actually saying so.  😉 

[Justin_Simpleton]

3 hours ago, Lord_Slayer said:

The particular laughing moment is as follows:

 

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This submarine is the first to bear the name USS Iowa and is the fifth U.S. naval vessel named after the state of Iowa. The most notable predecessor was the USS Iowa (BB-61), a battleship that served in World War II, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War.

 

Sorry to be dense but I don't get what's funny.  The statement looks true to me.

[Wolfswetpaws]

56 minutes ago, Justin_Simpleton said:

Sorry to be dense but I don't get what's funny.  The statement looks true to me.

The Submarine Iowa may be the first Submarine to bear the name Iowa, but she's not the first ship to bear the name Iowa.
The phrasing of the sentence indicates truths, but improperly conveys them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa  

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USS Iowa may refer to several vessels:

 

U.S. military vessels

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Vessels named USS Iowa

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• USS Iowa (BB-4), a battleship that saw action during the Spanish–American War
• USS Iowa (BB-53), a battleship already under construction when she was canceled by the Washington Naval Treaty
• USS Iowa (BB-61), the lead ship of the Iowa-class battleship that saw action during World War II, the Korean War, and the Gulf War
• USS Iowa (SSN-797), a planned Virginia-class submarine

Other vessels

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• Iowa (steamboat), 1838, a Mississippi River boat that transported troops during the American Civil War
• USS Ammonoosuc (1864), a monitor that was never commissioned and was renamed Iowa before being sold
• USS Iowan (ID-3002), 1914 cargo ship used by the U.S. Navy in World War I for cargo and troop transport.

Non-military vessels named Iowa

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• Maid of Iowa, 1842 steamboat
• A stern-wheel rafter/packet named Iowa plied the Mississippi River from 1865–1900.^[1]
• A stern-wheel towboat named Iowa operated in the Mississippi River from 1921–1954; a contemporaneous dredge named Iowa also existed from 1932–1956.^[2]
• An ocean-going steamer named Iowa was in use in the late 19th century.^[3]
• In 1898 an excursion steamboat named Iowa was launched in Independence, Iowa, after several years as a popular attraction, it was carried over the Independence dam by high water and was demolished.^[4]

References

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1. ^ "UW La Crosse Historic Steamboat Photographs".
2. ^ "UW La Crosse Historic Steamboat Photographs".
3. ^ US Dept. of Ag. Special report, Issue 34. 1881. p. 269.
4. ^ Harry Church Chappell, Katharyn Joella Allen Chappell (1914). History of Buchanan County, Iowa, and its people, Volume 1. pp. 590–591.

 

[Lord_Slayer]

5 hours ago, Lord_Slayer said:

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This submarine is the first to bear the name USS Iowa and is the fifth U.S. naval vessel named after the state of Iowa. The most notable predecessor was the USS Iowa (BB-61), a battleship that served in World War II, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War.

 

 

2 hours ago, Justin_Simpleton said:

Sorry to be dense but I don't get what's funny.  The statement looks true to me.

 

1 hour ago, Wolfswetpaws said:

The Submarine Iowa may be the first Submarine to bear the name Iowa, but she's not the first ship to bear the name Iowa.
The phrasing of the sentence indicates truths, but improperly conveys them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa  

 

Sorry Wolf, but that is not what I am laughing about.

@Justin_Simpleton

While the Iowa did fight in WW2 and Korea, she did not fight in Vietnam.
Her sister, New Jersey, served one tour in Vietnam, before being removed because the North Vietnamese 'didn't like her'.

It was her reactivation in Vietnam that made her the first one to be reactivated in the 80s (slightly cheaper as she'd already been upgraded once and less time in mothballs). 

[Wolfswetpaws]

14 minutes ago, Lord_Slayer said:

 

 

Sorry Wolf, but that is not what I am laughing about.

@Justin_Simpleton

While the Iowa did fight in WW2 and Korea, she did not fight in Vietnam.
Her sister, New Jersey, served one tour in Vietnam, before being removed because the North Vietnamese 'didn't like her'.

It was her reactivation in Vietnam that made her the first one to be reactivated in the 80s (slightly cheaper as she'd already been upgraded once and less time in mothballs). 

Good catch.  🙂 👍

[Snargfargle]

There are actually formal naming conventions for US ships.

In 1862, it was enacted in US Code that

Sailing-vessels of the first class shall be named after the States of the Union, those of the second class after the rivers, those of the third class after the principal cities and towns and those of the fourth class as the President may direct.

Battleships were traditionally named for states, except for USS Kearsarge (BB-5), which was named after a mountain in Merrimack County, New Hampshire, and an American Civil War sloop-of-war.

However, there are no more battleships.

Virginia class attack submarines have been largely named for states, but 10 were named for other things. The Navy has 25 of these subs.

The only two state names currently not in use are Kansas and South Carolina.

https://sgp.fas.org/crs/weapons/RS22478.pdf

[Wolfswetpaws]

10 minutes ago, Snargfargle said:

There are actually formal naming conventions for US ships.

In 1862, it was enacted in US Code that

Sailing-vessels of the first class shall be named after the States of the Union, those of the second class after the rivers, those of the third class after the principal cities and towns and those of the fourth class as the President may direct.

Battleships were traditionally named for states, except for USS Kearsarge (BB-5), which was named after a mountain in Merrimack County, New Hampshire, and an American Civil War sloop-of-war.

However, there are no more battleships.

Virginia class attack submarines have been largely named for states, but 10 were named for other things. The Navy has 25 of these subs.

The only two state names currently not in use are Kansas and South Carolina.

https://sgp.fas.org/crs/weapons/RS22478.pdf

🙂👍

[Snargfargle]

If you think of it for a bit, you will realize that Virginia-class submarines are actually modern "first-class" ships as each is potentially powerful enough to destroy a small country's navy alone with its complement of 65 missiles and torpedoes. The US eventuality plans to deploy 66 of these subs. Currently, 24 are active (the Iowa will make 25) and ten are being built.

[Lord_Slayer]

41 minutes ago, Snargfargle said:

There are actually formal naming conventions for US ships.

In 1862, it was enacted in US Code that

Sailing-vessels of the first class shall be named after the States of the Union, those of the second class after the rivers, those of the third class after the principal cities and towns and those of the fourth class as the President may direct.

Battleships were traditionally named for states, except for USS Kearsarge (BB-5), which was named after a mountain in Merrimack County, New Hampshire, and an American Civil War sloop-of-war.

However, there are no more battleships.

Virginia class attack submarines have been largely named for states, but 10 were named for other things. The Navy has 25 of these subs.

Arizona will be the last Virginia-class named for a state. Then they return to fish for 4 or so boats, then back to cities.
The Columbia-class will resume states with the second of the class to be named 'Wisconsin'.

[Wolfswetpaws]

While useful for a variety of missions, an SSN is probably not the ideal ship for anti-drone work.  🙂 

[Snargfargle]

23 minutes ago, Wolfswetpaws said:

While useful for a variety of missions, an SSN is probably not the ideal ship for anti-drone work.  🙂 

Maybe not. We are currently developing cruise missiles that can deploy and guide their own missiles. What's more 'Merican than having a missile... that shoots missiles?

 

 

[Wolfswetpaws]

2 minutes ago, Snargfargle said:

Maybe not. We are currently developing cruise missiles that can deploy and guide their own missiles. What's more 'Merican than having a missile... that shoots missiles?

 

 

Figuring out how to do that, cheaper and more effectively than the opposition is launching their ordnance and drones and missiles.