Balance Changes - Public Test 14.0

[Farmers_Only]

Mass and Musashi get 10km ASW and Zao gets better angles on everything.

Development blog (404 now defunct)

https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/balance-changes-public-test-140-8477

Overall a bunch of ships should be more playable.

Edited December 13, 2024 by Admiral_Karasu
Link changed. /AK

[OldSchoolGaming_Youtube]

Even more and now TRIPLE buffs to Jinan....!?! 

I mean I cant really complain because its one of my favourite ships but it already got buffs to Main battery range before and is already OP A-F ..... so WG is Buffing it....

Good that they try and balance the Supercrusiers a bit. Zao definitely needed some long awaited Love.

 

[Ensign Cthulhu]

The full text, for your edification:

Spoiler

Balance Changes - Public Test 14.0

We're applying balance changes to a large number of ships based on an analysis of both their combat statistics and player feedback.

 

VI Novorossiysk

Sigma value increased: 1.4 to 1.5.

VI Renown

Main Battery guns parameters changed:

Reload time reduced: 23.5 to 22s.

Shell Ballistics improved. They will now become flatter.

Stock Gun Fire Control System Range increased: 15.8 to 16.3km.

Researchable Gun Fire Control System Range increased: 17.4 to 17.9km.

Turret traverse time decreased: 45 to 30s.

VII Cnel. Bolognesi

Maximum AP shell damage increased: 3000 to 3200

Combat Instructions parameters changed:

Consumable reload and preparation bonus increased: -75 to -80%

VII L. Tarigo

Emergency Engine Power consumable parameters changed:

Action time increased: 25 to 40s.

Reload time decreased: 160 to 120s

VI Undine

VIII Sturdy

Changed secondary battery shell ballistics. They will now become flatter.

VIII Belfast '43

Main Battery guns reload time reduced: 10 to 8.5s.

HE shell fire chance increased: 9 to 11%.

Turret traverse time reduced: 25.7 to 22.5s.

Number of Surveillance Radar charges increased: 2 to 3.

VIII D. Pozharsky

Maximum AP shell damage increased: 3000 to 3300.

VIII V. Cuniberti

Emergency Engine Power consumable parameters changed:

Action time increased: 25 to 40s.

Reload time decreased: 160 to 120s

VIII Split

Main Battery guns reload time reduced: 3.6 to 3.4s.

Torpedo launcher reload time reduced: 68 to 60s.

While Champagne performs well in terms of damage, her impact on the Battle is somewhat low, therefore we're adding Main Battery Reload Booster consumable to better help her impact battles at important moments.

 

VIII Champagne

Added Main Battery Reload Booster consumable with the following parameters:

Number of charges: 3.

Action time: 15s.

Reload time: 60s.

IX Marco Polo

Main battery guns reload time reduced: 36 to 34.5s.

IX Dm. Donskoi

Surveillance Radar consumable action time increased: 25 to 30s.

IX Hizen

Main battery guns reload time reduced: 38 to 34s.

IX Dalian

Main Battery guns parameters changed:

Range increased: 13.5 to 14.1km.

Reload time reduced: 4.9 to 4.5s.

IX Tulsa

Dispersion improved, and now corresponds with the standard destroyer shell dispersion pattern.

IX Adriatico

Emergency Engine Power consumable parameters changed:

Action time increased: 25 to 60s.

Reload time decreased: 160 to 120s

IX L. Katsonis

Main Battery guns reload time reduced: 3.8 to 3.3s.

Torpedo launcher reload time reduced: 68 to 60s.

IX Tsurugi

Main Battery guns reload time reduced: 25 to 24s.

HE shell ballistic parameters changed. This will result in the flight trajectory becoming flatter, identical to that of the AP shells of the ship.

Turning radius reduced: 970 to 890.

Number of Repair Party consumables increased: 3 to 4.

 

X République

Sigma value increased: 2 to 2.1

X Jinan

HP pool increased: 30700 to 32500.

HE shell parameters changed:

Maximum damage increased: 1800 to 1900.

Fire chance increased 9 to 11%.

Torpedo maximum damage increased: 17900 to 18800.

X A. Regolo

Emergency Engine Power consumable parameters changed:

Action time increased: 25 to 60s.

Reload time decreased: 160 to 120s.

 

Zaō has received various buffs over time, but we continue to hear feedback from players, volunteers, and community contributors to improve her further. Based on your feedback and suggestions how to make her more comfortable to play, we're widening her turret angles and adding the post-launch turning feature to her torpedoes. We will keep a close eye on her combat statistics going forward, as the ship already has solid overall performance.

X Zaō, X Zaō CLR

Main battery turret angles improved:

Firing angles of the first turret widened by 8 degrees per side.

Firing angles of the second turret widened by 1 degree per side.

Firing angles of the third turret widened by 4 degrees per side.

Firing angles of the fourth turret widened by 9 degrees per side.

Torpedo turning feature added to the ship. As a result a result of this addition, the following changes were made:

Forward firing angles for all torpedo tubes increased by 10 degrees.

Backward firing angles for all torpedo tubes increased by 45 degrees.

VIII Yumihari

IX Adatara

X Bungo

HE shells ballistic parameters changed. This will result in the flight trajectory becoming flatter, identical to that of the AP shells of the ships.

The following changes to Combat instructions conditions were made in order to improve overall playing experience, specificallly in situations when shooting targets that you lose spotting on, or while blind-firing at a target that's in smoke or behind an obstacle. The amount of progress for fulfilling the new condition has been increased to compensate for the new requirement of direct hits on a target. Hannover and Admiral Ushakov have received additional conditions to complement their gameplay and improve their effectiveness in battle.

Additionally, we have made changes to the Hydroacoustic Search consumable for Hannover and Clausewitz. Although Clausewitz and Hannover perform within tolerances, they fall toward the low end for Superships. We're giving them some buffs in the form of emphasizing their traditional German strength of long-range Hydroacoustic Search.

★ Satsuma

Combat Instructions parameters changed:

Removed current progress conditions.

Added new progress condition:

Hit an enemy ship with a main battery shell: 8%.

★ Ushakov

Combat Instructions parameters changed:

Removed current progress conditions.

Added new progress conditions:

Hit an enemy ship with a main battery shell: 6%.

Receive 2,000 potential damage: 0.1%

★ Hannover

Combat Instructions parameters changed:

Removed current progress conditions.

Added new progress conditions:

Hit an enemy ship with a main battery shell - 10%.

Hit an enemy ship with a secondary guns shell - 1.5%.

Hydroacoustic Search consumable range increased: 6 to 7km.

★ Clausewitz

Hydroacoustic Search consumable range increased: 6 to 7km.

★ Jacksonville

Main battery guns firing range reduced: 18.2 to 17.2km.

We're updating ASW parameters for several ships, matching them better with standard values for ships. We want to highlight here a change very frequently requested by our community for battleships Massachusetts and Musashi. Based on your feedback, we're increasing the range of their Depth Charge Airstrike. This will allow players to be more effective and defend better against Submarines. As a trade-off for this improvement, we're reducing the damage per bomb to keep the ship at a similar balance level, while significantly improving the usefulness of this armament.

VI Montcalm

Depth Charge Airstrike reload time reduced: 30 to 20s.

VI Canarias

Number of Depth Charges Airstrike bombs decreased: 3 to 1

Bomb damage increased: 1600 to 2900.

Bomb splash damage range increased.

VII FR25

Depth Charge damage increased: 2400 to 3200.

VIII Massachusetts, IX Musashi

Depth Charge Airstrike range increased: 5 to 10km

Bomb damage reduced: 4200 to 2500.

IX Orage

Number of Depth Charges bombs increased: 8 to 10.

X Z-42

Depth Charge damage increased: 2200 to 2400

Number of Depth Charges bombs increased: 8 to 12.

IX Ägir, IX AL Ägir, IX Siegfried, IX Mengchong

Number of Depth Charges Airstrike bombs decreased: 3 to 2.

Bomb damage increased: 1600 to 4200.

Bomb splash damage range increased.

Please note that all information in the development blog is preliminary. Announced adjustments and features may change multiple times during testing. The final information will be published on our game's website.

 

That's huge.

MY CALL:

Admittedly, I think what Zao really needed was 10 degrees added to the rear torp firing angles and 45 degrees to the front rather than the other way around, but I'll take a buff when I'm given it.

I think Novorossiysk is somewhere on the dispersion curve where this change from a very very low sigma to a somewhat higher sigma is going to have a slightly disproportionate effect; i.e. I think she'll shoot much better than the small change would make it appear.

Republique is going to become a monster. So is Champagne. 

Hizen's buff is going to make her competitive, rather than just a slightly faster Japanese Minnesota.

The higher tier Italian destroyers also got significantly better. 

Tulsa... Hmm. I've always asked myself *what the doodle* is this ship even for, when Salem exists? (I got mine in a Santa crate; I would never have bought her.) This might change things.

The buffs to Split and Katsonis torpedoes are going to make this grind substantially easier for me. Eight seconds is a long time in co-op!

The rest is nice (especially Belfast 43; she might become my Cunningham's road to 21 points).

 

[Admiral_Karasu]

So this is about the 'balance changes to 30 ships' thing that WG revealed earlier today. Do I need to turn the fan on?

[HogHammer]

That was a nice move by WG. It's great to see attention paid to some of the older ships that really needed a little TLC.

[Wulf_Ace]

even WG figured it out that some ships are almost never played.

I cant remember when did I see italian dds in a game.

 

[Itwastuesday]

Righty.

Zao buff nice, dunno if necessary but I like the ship so I'll take it. 

Hizen buff puts it at the 3rd highest dpm out of T9 battleships, below Illinois and Marlborough. I guess that's something. Still boring ship. Still rather inaccurate and IIRC the shells aren't too good. 

Regolo buffs, also I don't know if it needed one but I'll take it. 

Bungobuff, eh, I thought there was a reason it has slow HE shells. So that it doesn't just spam HE with sniper accuracy? Who longed for the glory days of Thunderer spam? 

0.1 sigma for republique. Why even bother? Bah. 

7km hydro for T11 kriegsmarine. That's intresting. Gotta see how it reaches into some caps. 

[Wolfswetpaws]

1 hour ago, Farmers_Only said:

Mass and Musashi get 10km ASW and Zao gets better angles on everything.

Development blog

Overall a bunch of ships should be more playable.

Wow.

Quite the list of changes.
https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/balance-changes-public-test-140

[Jakob Knight]

Agir, Siegfried, and Mengchong are going to be interesting ASW cruisers with that expanded damage radius.

[Wolfswetpaws]

11 minutes ago, Itwastuesday said:

Righty.

Zao buff nice, dunno if necessary but I like the ship so I'll take it. 

Hizen buff puts it at the 3rd highest dpm out of T9 battleships, below Illinois and Marlborough. I guess that's something. Still boring ship. Still rather inaccurate and IIRC the shells aren't too good. 

Regolo buffs, also I don't know if it needed one but I'll take it. 

Bungobuff, eh, I thought there was a reason it has slow HE shells. So that it doesn't just spam HE with sniper accuracy? Who longed for the glory days of Thunderer spam? 

0.1 sigma for republique. Why even bother? Bah. 

7km hydro for T11 kriegsmarine. That's intresting. Gotta see how it reaches into some caps. 

Differing projectile weights.
Adatara example as of today.  (I don't know if the information will be revised.)
https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Adatara  

Quote

Main Battery

457 mm/50 5th Year Type in a twin turret4 х 2 pcs.

Rate of Fire2 shots/min.

Reload Time30 sec.

Rotation Speed4 deg./sec.

180 Degree Turn Time45 sec.

Firing Range21.75 km.

Maximum Dispersion240 m.

HE Shell457 mm HE Type0

Maximum HE Shell Damage7,300

Chance of Fire on Target Caused by HE Shell35 %

Initial HE Shell Velocity805 m./s.

HE Shell Weight1360 kg.

AP Shell457 mm AP/APC Type91

Maximum AP Shell Damage13,500

Initial AP Shell Velocity860 m./s.

AP Shell Weight1130 kg.

 

[Tpaktop2_1 NA]

I noted that changed should have been done to the Renown last year. IMO, still more work to be done. The Renown's belt was mounted higher than the Repulse.  It shows in WoWS. However, the Renown's deck armor was improved in 1936 from 2.5 to 5 inches (127mm). Her armor was also refitted between the wars to deal with diving shells. This is not shown in the game.

Source: Drachinifel Renown video

Prosed VI Renown changes

Main Battery guns parameters changed:
Reload time reduced: 23.5 to 22s.
Shell Ballistics improved. They will now become flatter.
Stock Gun Fire Control System Range increased: 15.8 to 16.3km.
Researchable Gun Fire Control System Range increased: 17.4 to 17.9km.
Turret traverse time decreased: 45 to 30s.

Compare to:
VI Repulse
Main Battery guns parameters:
Reload time: 25s.
Shell Ballistics ??
Gun Fire Control System Range: 19.8
Turret traverse time decreased: 30s.

Still I'll take what they can give. At least WG recognize the need to change the stats for the Renown.

[Andrewbassg]

2 hours ago, Farmers_Only said:

Mass and Musashi get 10km ASW and Zao gets better angles on everything.

Development blog

Overall a bunch of ships should be more playable.

 Wow.

[Daniel_Allan_Clark]

The Renown turret traverse change means I will have to adjust my build for her...

;)

[mashed68]

So mass gets double the range with half the damage.....I'll take it.

And did I read correctly, Tulsa gets destroyer dispersion in a heavy cruiser? Wow. 

[Wrath_of_Deadguy]

If those buffs to Belfast '43 go through, I might be tempted to scrape the barnacles off and actually play her a bit instead of just looking at her wistfully then picking literally any other T8 CL I own instead.

Edited December 12, 2024 by Wrath_of_Deadguy

[Nevermore135]

1 hour ago, mashed68 said:

And did I read correctly, Tulsa gets destroyer dispersion in a heavy cruiser? Wow. 

IIRC, the still unreleased Incheon (tier X PA Buffalo derivative) also has DD dispersion.

1 hour ago, Wrath_of_Deadguy said:

If those buffs to Belfast '43 go through, I might be tempted to scrape the barnacles off and actually play her a bit instead of just looking at her wistfully then picking literally any other T8 CL I own instead.

Belfast’43 has received so many buffs over the last few years because she was released dreadfully underpowered out of fear of repeating the mistake of the tier VII version. It’s nice to see the ship becoming legitimately competitive.

Also, the buff to Champagne has me cackling with glee. MBRB with French pen/ballistics and battlecruiser dispersion? Someone found the old vodka stash.

Edited December 12, 2024 by Nevermore135

[Malum0ne]

Development blog 12.12.2024
 

12.12.2024 12:00

• Balance changes

Balance Changes - Public Test 14.0

We're applying balance changes to a large number of ships based on an analysis of both their combat statistics and player feedback.

VI Novorossiysk

• Sigma value increased: 1.4 to 1.5.

VI Renown

• Main Battery guns parameters changed:
  • Reload time reduced: 23.5 to 22s.
  • Shell Ballistics improved. They will now become flatter.
  • Stock Gun Fire Control System Range increased: 15.8 to 16.3km.
  • Researchable Gun Fire Control System Range increased: 17.4 to 17.9km.
  • Turret traverse time decreased: 45 to 30s.

VII Coronel Bolognesi

• Maximum AP shell damage increased: 3000 to 3200
• Combat Instructions parameters changed:
  • Consumable reload and preparation bonus increased: -75 to -80%

VII Luca Tarigo

• Emergency Engine Power consumable parameters changed:
  • Action time increased: 25 to 40s.
  • Reload time decreased: 160 to 120s

VI Undine  VIII Sturdy

• Changed secondary battery shell ballistics. They will now become flatter.

VIII Belfast '43

• Main Battery guns reload time reduced: 10 to 8.5s.
• HE shell fire chance increased: 9 to 11%.
• Turret traverse time reduced: 25.7 to 22.5s.
• Number of Surveillance Radar charges increased: 2 to 3.

VIII Dmitry Pozharsky

• Maximum AP shell damage increased: 3000 to 3300.

VIII Vittorio Cuniberti

• Emergency Engine Power consumable parameters changed:
  • Action time increased: 25 to 40s.
  • Reload time decreased: 160 to 120s

VIII Split

• Main Battery guns reload time reduced: 3.6 to 3.4s.
• Torpedo launcher reload time reduced: 68 to 60s.

While Champagne performs well in terms of damage, her impact on the Battle is somewhat low, therefore we're adding Main Battery Reload Booster consumable to better help her impact battles at important moments.

VIII Champagne

• Added Main Battery Reload Booster consumable with the following parameters:
  • Number of charges: 3.
  • Action time: 15s.
  • Reload time: 60s.

  • Bonus to main battery reload: -50%

*12.12.2024. Added the missing parameter for Main Battery Reload Booster consumable for Champagne.

 IX Marco Polo

• Main battery guns reload time reduced: 36 to 34.5s.

IX Dmitri Donskoi

• Surveillance Radar consumable action time increased: 25 to 30s.

IX Hizen

• Main battery guns reload time reduced: 38 to 34s.

IX Dalian

• Main Battery guns parameters changed:
  • Range increased: 13.5 to 14.1km.
  • Reload time reduced: 4.9 to 4.5s.

IX Tulsa

• Dispersion improved, and now corresponds with the standard destroyer shell dispersion pattern.

IX Adriatico

• Emergency Engine Power consumable parameters changed:
  • Action time increased: 25 to 60s.
  • Reload time decreased: 160 to 120s

IX Lambros Katsonis

• Main Battery guns reload time reduced: 3.8 to 3.3s.
• Torpedo launcher reload time reduced: 68 to 60s.

IX Tsurugi

• Main Battery guns reload time reduced: 25 to 24s.
• HE shell ballistic parameters changed. This will result in the flight trajectory becoming flatter, identical to that of the AP shells of the ship.
• Turning radius reduced: 970 to 890.
• Number of Repair Party consumables increased: 3 to 4.

X République

• Sigma value increased: 2 to 2.1

X Jinan

• HP pool increased: 30700 to 32500.
• HE shell parameters changed:
  • Maximum damage increased: 1800 to 1900.
  • Fire chance increased 9 to 11%.
• Torpedo maximum damage increased: 17900 to 18800.

X Attilio Regolo

• Emergency Engine Power consumable parameters changed:
  • Action time increased: 25 to 60s.
  • Reload time decreased: 160 to 120s.

Zaō has received various buffs over time, but we continue to hear feedback from players, volunteers, and community contributors to improve her further. Based on your feedback and suggestions how to make her more comfortable to play, we're widening her turret angles and adding the post-launch turning feature to her torpedoes. We will keep a close eye on her combat statistics going forward, as the ship already has solid overall performance.

X Zaō  X Zaō CLR

• Main battery turret angles improved:
  • Firing angles of the first turret widened by 8 degrees per side.
  • Firing angles of the second turret widened by 1 degree per side.
  • Firing angles of the third turret widened by 4 degrees per side.
  • Firing angles of the fourth turret widened by 9 degrees per side.
• Torpedo turning feature added to the ship. As a result a result of this addition, the following changes were made:
  • Forward firing angles for all torpedo tubes increased by 10 degrees.
  • Backward firing angles for all torpedo tubes increased by 45 degrees.

VIII Yumihari IX Adatara X Bungo

• HE shells ballistic parameters changed. This will result in the flight trajectory becoming flatter, identical to that of the AP shells of the ships.

The following changes to Combat instructions conditions were made in order to improve overall playing experience, specificallly in situations when shooting targets that you lose spotting on, or while blind-firing at a target that's in smoke or behind an obstacle. The amount of progress for fulfilling the new condition has been increased to compensate for the new requirement of direct hits on a target. Hannover and Admiral Ushakov have received additional conditions to complement their gameplay and improve their effectiveness in battle.

Additionally, we have made changes to the Hydroacoustic Search consumable for Hannover and Clausewitz. Although Clausewitz and Hannover perform within tolerances, they fall toward the low end for Superships. We're giving them some buffs in the form of emphasizing their traditional German strength of long-range Hydroacoustic Search.

★ Satsuma

• Combat Instructions parameters changed:
  • Removed current progress conditions.
  • Added new progress condition:
    • Hit an enemy ship with a main battery shell: 8%.

★ Admiral Ushakov

• Combat Instructions parameters changed:
  • Removed current progress conditions.
  • Added new progress conditions:
    • Hit an enemy ship with a main battery shell: 6%.
    • Receive 2,000 potential damage: 0.1%

★ Hannover

• Combat Instructions parameters changed:
  • Removed current progress conditions.
  • Added new progress conditions:
    • Hit an enemy ship with a main battery shell - 10%.
    • Hit an enemy ship with a secondary guns shell - 1.5%.

• Hydroacoustic Search consumable range increased: 6 to 7km.

★ Clausewitz

• Hydroacoustic Search consumable range increased: 6 to 7km.

★ Jacksonville

• Main battery guns firing range reduced: 18.2 to 17.2km.

We're updating ASW parameters for several ships, matching them better with standard values for ships. We want to highlight here a change very frequently requested by our community for battleships Massachusetts and Musashi. Based on your feedback, we're increasing the range of their Depth Charge Airstrike. This will allow players to be more effective and defend better against Submarines. As a trade-off for this improvement, we're reducing the damage per bomb to keep the ship at a similar balance level, while significantly improving the usefulness of this armament.

VI Montcalm

• Depth Charge Airstrike reload time reduced: 30 to 20s.

VI Canarias

• Number of Depth Charges Airstrike bombs decreased: 3 to 1
• Bomb damage increased: 1600 to 2900.
• Bomb splash damage range increased.

VII FR25

• Depth Charge damage increased: 2400 to 3200.

VIII Massachusetts  IX Musashi

• Depth Charge Airstrike range increased: 5 to 10km
• Bomb damage reduced: 4200 to 2500.

IX Orage

• Number of Depth Charges bombs increased: 8 to 10.

X Z-42

• Depth Charge damage increased: 2200 to 2400
• Number of Depth Charges bombs increased: 8 to 12.

IX Ägir IX AL Ägir IX Siegfried IX Mengchong

• Number of Depth Charges Airstrike bombs decreased: 3 to 2.
• Bomb damage increased: 1600 to 4200.
• Bomb splash damage range increased.

Please note that all information in the development blog is preliminary. Announced adjustments and features may change multiple times during testing. The final information will be published on our game's website.

[Andrewbassg]

55 minutes ago, Wrath_of_Deadguy said:

If those buffs to Belfast '43 go through, I might be tempted to scrape the barnacles off and actually play her a bit instead of just looking at her wistfully then picking literally any other T8 CL I own instead.

This. Tho, I don't have her, she never was a contender for acquisition. That could change, still, dislodging Mainz, will be a tough game.

[Kruzenstern]

28 minutes ago, Nevermore135 said:

Also, the buff to Champagne has me cackling with glee. MBRB with French pen/ballistics and battlecruiser dispersion? Someone found the old vodka stash.

Thats what I have been thinking. She did plenty fine for me as she is, but I'll take that massive buff, thank you WG😊

And my Tulsa will finally become interesting...

Edited December 12, 2024 by Kruzenstern

[Ensign Cthulhu]

4 hours ago, mashed68 said:

And did I read correctly, Tulsa gets destroyer dispersion in a heavy cruiser? Wow. 

With only six guns at that rate of fire, and having to carry her weight alongside the likes of DM and Salem in Tier 9-10-* matchmaking, she probably needs it.

[tfcas119]

Zao getting the buffs she deserves

Hizen looks somewhat good

Belfast'43 is becoming good finally

Republique and Novorossiysk sigma buffs will never be noticed

What in the vodka fueled minds did WG come up with with those Renown, Split, Katsonis, and Champagne buffs?

[Bai7200]

Okay Massa finaly gets the correct range, but why on earth does it only get firecrackers and not the correct damage output.

MASSACHUSETTS

  

IX MUSASHI

IX MUSASHI

[Nevermore135]

3 minutes ago, Bai7200 said:

 

Okay Massa finaly gets the correct range, but why on earth does it only get firecrackers and not the correct damage output.

MASSACHUSETTS

  

IX MUSASHI

 

IX MUSASHI

Because the devs are still convinced that these ships need to have inferior ASW. They aren’t trying to actually buff the ships in a statistical sense, but are rather simply responding to player feedback and trying to make them more comfortable to play.

One of the biggest frustrations when playing these ships in their current form is the severe lack of agency given to the player in most interactions with submarines. This will allow them to at least feel like they’re doing something.

Edited December 12, 2024 by Nevermore135

[Wolfswetpaws]

5 minutes ago, Bai7200 said:

 

Okay Massa finaly gets the correct range, but why on earth does it only get firecrackers and not the correct damage output.

MASSACHUSETTS

  

IX MUSASHI

 

IX MUSASHI

It's called a "trade-off".  Give something to get something.  Also known as an "exchange".

1 minute ago, Nevermore135 said:

Because the devs are still convinced that these ships need to have inferior ASW. They aren’t trying to actually buff the ships in a statistical sense, but are rather simply responding to player feedback and trying to make them more comfortable to play.

One of the biggest frustrations when playing these ships in their current form is the severe lack of agency given to the player in most interactions with submarines. This will allow them to at least feel like they’re doing something.

Personally, I feel that as long as one knew how to use the main-guns, the ASW range was as far as the main-guns could shoot.
High-Explosive projectiles from a battleship are pretty effective on Submarines, and they don't even need to hit.  Splash-damage is good enough.

I was participating in Submarine Testing since the introductory Halloween event.
Battleships didn't have Depth-charge Air-strikes in the early days of testing.

But, as you pointed out, there were some players who were crying about it.  Thus, Depth-charge Air-strikes were invented to placate them.
And now, more range has been provided to further placate the crying players.
Some people aren't satisfied until they get an "I win" button to press.  
 

Few people really study the Detection Mechanics of the game, in my opinion.

[Taylor3006]

34 minutes ago, Wolfswetpaws said:

But, as you pointed out, there were some players who were crying about it.  Thus, Depth-charge Air-strikes were invented to placate them.
And now, more range has been provided to further placate the crying players.
Some people aren't satisfied until they get an "I win" button to press.  

Few people really study the Detection Mechanics of the game, in my opinion.

I won't be happy until I have the automated ASW gimmick that carriers have, on all my ships.  Subs are annoying to play against. Eight years of learning where to aim guns to hit targets, all gone because of "mechanics".  Getting spammed pinged by bot subs is about as fun as listening to your teenager explain life to you.. 

The use of aircraft against subs is historical. Dropping bombs on subs from aircraft happened IRL. You know what didn't occur in real life? WW2 era submarines that zipped thru the ocean like speed boats. The USS Texas, not a ship known for its speed, outran a German sub who was trying to torpedo it. One way to balance subs in the game would be to give them their actual real life speeds. 

 

 

Edited December 12, 2024 by Taylor3006