I got her back! Lovely California shoots flies' eyes out.

[OT2_2]

I got her back ... ! Sold her and now she is back in my port. 🤣 Via Kots - container. Took her out at once in battle, and she was as accurate and lethal as her TVIII sister, the Tennessee. I really don't know if it was pure RNG, but she seemed to be heavily buffed in the acccuracy department. Does anyone know something more specific, because Californias' accuracy was really breathtaking. 

[Nevermore135]

California has US/German/UK BB dispersion, 1.9 sigma, and twelve guns.

That’s it, and it has never been adjusted.

Since release, CA has been buffed twice:

1) A small secondary range buff, part of a global adjustment

2) A 1.7s reload buff and KS/MN/VT acceleration 

Edited November 25, 2024 by Nevermore135

[OT2_2]

15 minutes ago, Nevermore135 said:

California has US/German/UK BB dispersion, 1.9 sigma, and twelve guns.

That’s it, and it has never been adjusted.

Since release, CA has been buffed twice:

1) A small secondary range buff, part of a global adjustment

2) A 1.7s reload buff and KS/MN/VT acceleration 

Thank you for the info. I was very much astonished when I sailed her this evening. Really, it was like day and night, and when she would / could continue like this she would be an absolute keeper. 

Edited November 25, 2024 by OT2_2

[mashed68]

1 hour ago, Nevermore135 said:

California has US/German/UK BB dispersion, 1.9 sigma, and twelve guns.

Then why does everyone complain about CA and its guns? Those seem perfectly fine stats wise. 

[Nevermore135]

49 minutes ago, mashed68 said:

Then why does everyone complain about CA and its guns? Those seem perfectly fine stats wise. 

14” guns at tier VII don’t have the overmatch advantages of a lot of other BBs at the tier, and until recently she had the same 34.2s reload as tier VI New Mexico. It was recently buffed to 32.5s, but that’s still not great. As a tier VII American BB, she also lacks access to ASM1, so the base dispersion is what you get.

It also doesn’t help that three months after her release for July 4 WG dropped Florida alongside the US BB (Kansas to Vermont) split line, another tier VII with:

1) similar guns (12x14”), but has CC/CB dispersion with decent sigma (1.7),

2) DFAA, which CA lacks, being more effective against attacking aircraft, and

3) a faster/more flexible hull that uptiers much better than CA.

Edited November 25, 2024 by Nevermore135

[OT2_2]

33 minutes ago, Nevermore135 said:

14” guns at tier VII don’t have the overmatch advantages of a lot of other BBs at the tier

Tennessee got identical guns caliber wise and is just doing (very) fine in the destruction department. I have all three ships you mentioned here, and the CA from this very evening wasn't any weaker as Tennessee or Florida, on the contrary. What I experienced today gave me great confidence in California. Something I won't forget, and something that influences me. I know it's very subjective, but everything in life has its two sides. A real objective and the other, the subjective one with attributed properties. 

Edited November 25, 2024 by OT2_2

[Wolfswetpaws]

2 hours ago, OT2_2 said:

I got her back ... ! Sold her and now she is back in my port. 🤣 Via Kots - container. Took her out at once in battle, and she was as accurate and lethal as her TVIII sister, the Tennessee. I really don't know if it was pure RNG, but she seemed to be heavily buffed in the acccuracy department. Does anyone know something more specific, because Californias' accuracy was really breathtaking. 

Congratulations on your re-acquisition of the California.  😄 

Interesting to hear that her guns are accurate.  Thanks for sharing your review.  🙂 

Tagging @Sailor_Moon, the Patron Goddess of the California.  🙂 

[Itwastuesday]

The AP is trash and the boat is a circle you cannot angle in anyway, going glorious 20 knots. I suppose it's somewhat accurate but... Eh. 

[OT2_2]

2 hours ago, Itwastuesday said:

The AP is trash and the boat is a circle you cannot angle in anyway, going glorious 20 knots. I suppose it's somewhat accurate but... Eh. 

Nothing but your opinion, it's allowed to think differently. Btw, 23,5 knots with brisk and flag. Not worse than other standard US BB. 

[Itwastuesday]

3 hours ago, OT2_2 said:

Nothing but your opinion, it's allowed to think differently. Btw, 23,5 knots with brisk and flag. Not worse than other standard US BB. 

You're quite free to like the boat, but the AP and hull being bad seems weird to debate. 

[OT2_2]

27 minutes ago, Itwastuesday said:

You're quite free to like the boat, but the AP and hull being bad seems weird to debate. 

That was the reason for my original question if she had been buffed in her artillery department or not. I had a diametrically opposed experience with her when I took her out yesterday. I sold her for a reason ca. 6 months ago, but now she seems completely transformed regarding her artillery in general. 

[SkullCowboy]

15 hours ago, Wolfswetpaws said:

Tagging @Sailor_Moon, the Patron Goddess of the California.  🙂 

I am surprised @Sailor_Moon has not immediately materialized with the mere mention of the California. 

[HogHammer]

Must be in a crazy mood today.  Referencing "shooting eyes out" got me thinking of this scene from "A Christmas Story".

So you better watch out for the ricocets after you fire your guns in the California.  

[Wolfswetpaws]

1 hour ago, SkullCowboy said:

I am surprised @Sailor_Moon has not immediately materialized with the mere mention of the California. 

 @Sailor_Moon a busy Goddess, I suppose?  😄 
  
 

Edited November 26, 2024 by Wolfswetpaws

[Sailor_Moon]

On 11/26/2024 at 10:10 AM, Wolfswetpaws said:

 @Sailor_Moon a busy Goddess, I suppose?  😄 
  
 

Yep! But I'm here now!

[Sailor_Moon]

On 11/25/2024 at 1:52 PM, OT2_2 said:

I got her back ... ! Sold her and now she is back in my port. 🤣 Via Kots - container. Took her out at once in battle, and she was as accurate and lethal as her TVIII sister, the Tennessee. I really don't know if it was pure RNG, but she seemed to be heavily buffed in the acccuracy department. Does anyone know something more specific, because Californias' accuracy was really breathtaking. 

Ok! So, California. Obligatory (and still relevant) meme.

So I'm gonna tell you right now, that

On 11/25/2024 at 1:52 PM, OT2_2 said:

Took her out at once in battle, and she was as accurate and lethal as her TVIII sister, the Tennessee. I really don't know if it was pure RNG

THIS? 100% RNG. No joke. Tennessee is so much more accurate than California isn't not even funny. Like, Big T is a NIGHT AND DAY difference from California, even regarding tiering. California is simply not as accurate as she needs to be in order to fulfil Wargaming's claimed role for her as a "heavyweight salvo sniper" (not my words, there are THEIRS). Her sigma is only decent/acceptable at 1.9. She has battleship dispersion, which isn't good, obviously. Tennessee has flippin' cruiser dispersion, Ok? So that's infinitely more accurate than California could ever hope to be short of getting godlike RNG on a salvo.

So yes. MASSIVE amounts of cope RNGesus saying YES for you there on her salvo(es), OP.

That said, their shells ARE the same, so you do get the same broadside weight/same performance from the shells themselves (damage, flight time, ballistics, etc). Only that Big T has 28s reload, whereas California has...32.5s. Now admittedly, that's no longer the SLOWEST reload at the tier, but it's not exactly good either. (Yes, obligatory praising of WG for finally FINALLY buffing California....a small amount.🙏 But still, a buff is a buff.)

TL;DR Yeah no, Cali's accuracy wasn't buffed, even though I wish it was. Sorry OP.

Edited November 30, 2024 by Sailor_Moon

[Sailor_Moon]

On 11/25/2024 at 2:05 PM, Nevermore135 said:

California has US/German/UK BB dispersion, 1.9 sigma, and twelve guns.

That’s it, and it has never been adjusted.

Since release, CA has been buffed twice:

1) A small secondary range buff, part of a global adjustment

2) A 1.7s reload buff and KS/MN/VT acceleration 

[Sailor_Moon]

On 11/26/2024 at 8:18 AM, SkullCowboy said:

I am surprised @Sailor_Moon has not immediately materialized with the mere mention of the California. 

 

[Sailor_Moon]

On 11/26/2024 at 3:55 AM, OT2_2 said:

Nothing but your opinion, it's allowed to think differently. Btw, 23,5 knots with brisk and flag. Not worse than other standard US BB. 

16 or so knots on a hard turn though, oof. Wee Vee '44 is faster (admittedly by 0.5 knots, but still, every knot of speed counts when you're THAT slow :P) and better in virtually all aspects lols! Well, except broadside weight, pretty much.

Edited November 30, 2024 by Sailor_Moon

[Sailor_Moon]

On 11/25/2024 at 4:15 PM, OT2_2 said:

Tennessee got identical guns caliber wise and is just doing (very) fine in the destruction department.

Two words. Cruiser. Dispersion.
that is the PRIMARY reason she is performing properly at her tier, despite basically being a Tier 6.5 ship shoehorned into tier 8.

Edited November 30, 2024 by Sailor_Moon

[Wolfswetpaws]

Glad you could join the discussion @Sailor_Moon.  🙂 

[Sailor_Moon]

6 minutes ago, Wolfswetpaws said:

Glad you could join the discussion @Sailor_Moon.  🙂 

Always happy to discuss the finer things in life, including (but not limited to) California.

[Sailor_Moon]

On 11/25/2024 at 2:05 PM, Nevermore135 said:

Since release, CA has been buffed twice:

Hey now, that's not fair 😛 she's been buffed ONCE, darnit!

You say that and Wargaming's gonna jump on it, I tell you! Then I'm burnt toast for asking for another buff!

Just half kidding 😜

Edited November 30, 2024 by Sailor_Moon

[Nevermore135]

11 minutes ago, Sailor_Moon said:

Hey now, that's not fair 😛 she's been buffed ONCE, darnit!

You say that and Wargaming's gonna jump on it, I tell you! Then I'm burnt toast for asking for another buff!

Just half kidding 😜

She has been buffed on two occasions, though, per my post. The first happened to be part of a global adjustment of secondary battery range in 0.10.0, but her secondary range was increased.

Reload and acceleration buffs followed in 13.1.

Maybe WG will give CA another needed buff before 2027, but I won’t be holding my breath…

Edited November 30, 2024 by Nevermore135

[Wolfswetpaws]

1 hour ago, Nevermore135 said:

She has been buffed on two occasions, though, per my post. The first happened to be part of a global adjustment of secondary battery range in 0.10.0, but her secondary range was increased.

Reload and acceleration buffs followed in 13.1.

Maybe WG will give CA another needed buff before 2027, but I won’t be holding my breath…

So, not something specific to the California, per se.  Because it was a global buff.