Old PC Dying Planning To Get Laptop In Interim

[tm63au]

Until I can do I deep dive into getting a good PC decided to get a gaming Laptop as a stopgap.

This laptop has got my attention so far I have read mostly very good reviews its last years model but i just cant afford this years not if I will end up getting a PC in the not to distant future.

 

I'm not really the tech expert but it covers all the bases for WOWS

 

regards 

[Admiral_Karasu]

Aren't gaming laptops proportionately much more expensive than equivalent table top PC's?

[I_cant_Swim_]

27 minutes ago, tm63au said:

I'm not really the tech expert but it covers all the bases for WOWS

Yes, it looks like it'd run fine. Biggest gripe might be the 16 gigs of RAM (with time, proggies seem to demand ever more), but otherwise it looks good, if you get a good deal on it.

 

[Admiral_Karasu]

RTX 4060 is roughly the same in terms of performance as RTX 3060, IIRC, but with newer architecture. I had a 3060, and it was running hot, a lot, but 4060 should not have this issue.

[Wolfswetpaws]

57 minutes ago, tm63au said:

Until I can do I deep dive into getting a good PC decided to get a gaming Laptop as a stopgap.

This laptop has got my attention so far I have read mostly very good reviews its last years model but i just cant afford this years not if I will end up getting a PC in the not to distant future.

 

I'm not really the tech expert but it covers all the bases for WOWS

 

regards 

It should have no trouble running World of Warships.
And is likely to be able to play other games that are more demanding than WOWs (regarding system requirements).

👍

[Snargfargle]

WOWS uses less than 4 GB of RAM (3,287 MB right now on my system). 16 GB of RAM is fine for most gaming and light streaming purposes. If you plan to do a lot of video rendering and editing, however, 32 GB is better. Returnal, Cyberpunk 2077, Star Citizen, Microsoft Flight Simulator, and ARK 2 are examples of games where you will need 32 GB of RAM for optimal gameplay.

Edited November 23, 2024 by Snargfargle

[Efros]

Unless you have a compelling reason to buy a laptop you would be much better getting a home brew desktop.

[Wolfswetpaws]

13 hours ago, Efros said:

Unless you have a compelling reason to buy a laptop you would be much better getting a home brew desktop.

This ^^^^^ is "conventional wisdom", among people who build their own computers for fun.

1.  Desktop computers allow a person to tinker with them, and replace or upgrade parts more easily than a laptop computer.
It also occupies more space on one's desk (and wall, if the monitor is mounted on the wall).
The keyboard and mouse and the monitor are separate items, too.
This allows for a wider range of customization. 
But, that benefit is negligible for people who buy a computer and require a "computer mechanic" to assemble and fix their computer for them (like an auto mechanic fixes their car for them).

2.  Laptop computers are portable.
A person isn't confined to only using a laptop in only one room of their house or business (unlike a desktop).
They can operate on battery power for varying amounts of time. 
(Separate "battery back-up" components are needed to keep a desktop running if there is a power failure.)
Laptops offer similar performance for a slightly higher price, but include everything needed to use them for work or play.
They can be customized to some extent, by choosing the available make & model and build options (similar to how a car can be chosen by make & model and levels of feature packages).
Some vendors offer more buyer-selectable choices, but after the purchase, most people don't tinker with a laptop, with the possible exception of upgrading the amount of RAM or replacement of a hard-drive for increased storage and/or performance.  But, usually, laptops aren't tinkered with.
Laptop components are chosen, tested and configured at the manufacturer level for compatibility and function.  They're going to work, or they can be returned for a refund or exchanged if there is a defect covered by manufacturer warranty.
The operating system software is included with a Laptop (which may be a separate item, for computer tinkerers who build their own desktop).
Laptops often arrive with other software, which is pre-packaged along with the Operating System software, and can be used on a "trial basis" for a limited time or purchased and activated according to terms and conditions. 
The Laptop owner can also uninstall or delete the "trial basis" software that they don't like, to de-clutter their Laptop. 
(To be fair, desktops purchased pre-assembled from retail vendors have similar Operating System software and trial basis software pre-packaged on them, too.)
And a laptop owner can purchase and install their preferred software (for work or hobbies or to play games), just like a desktop owner can do.

Bottom line?
If you tinker with computers for a hobby and will use them in a fixed location, then a desktop is compatible with that lifestyle.
If you travel, even if it is only within the rooms of your own home, a laptop offers traveling capability.
If you don't tinker with computers, then either a desktop or a laptop can be chosen according to one's lifestyle criteria.  🙂 
 

[Snargfargle]

The main problem with laptops is heat. They can run cool and quiet all day long running business apps. However, it's a whole different thing when playing graphics-intensive games. While "gaming" laptops are powerful enough to play most games at high (if not ultra) settings, their tiny cooling fans are going to be screaming while doing so. The longer the gaming session lasts, the hotter the laptop is going to get until it finally starts throttling, which is the GPU, CPU, and SSD lowering their clock frequencies (and thus system performance) in order to remain within safe temperatures. Conversely, gaming desktops are usually equipped with large heatsinks that can maintain the system at a temperature that is compatible with maximum performance. You can game all day with a desktop PC.

 

[100 Krakens]

17 hours ago, tm63au said:

This laptop has got my attention so far I have read mostly very good reviews its last years model but i just cant afford this years not if I will end up getting a PC in the not to distant future.

Do not even consider anything with an Intel CPU older than 12th generation these days. Too many issues. Go with team red.

Oh and for the price of that laptop you can easily upgrade your PC to AM5/Ryzen 7 9800X3D/32 GB DDR5 while retaining your storage devices and probably avoiding that total reinstall nightmare (just uninstall all the drivers prior to upgrade).
Moreover, Strix series laptops are... meh. ROG Zephyrus is what you want for a gaming laptop. 🙂

Edited November 24, 2024 by 100 Krakens

[Tpaktop2_1 NA]

17 hours ago, Admiral_Karasu said:

Aren't gaming laptops proportionately much more expensive than equivalent table top PC's?

It depends what are the requirements. If OP wants to play Cyberpunk 2077, I don't think the laptop will do it

17 hours ago, I_cant_Swim_ said:

Yes, it looks like it'd run fine. Biggest gripe might be the 16 gigs of RAM (with time, proggies seem to demand ever more), but otherwise it looks good, if you get a good deal on it.

 

Memory is not a problem with PC's. It is the cost of the VGA, which eats a 1/3 of the cost of a PC. 

I reached the age with my PC the old parts are having problems. I have a Ryzen5 3600X CPU (AM4) and now is the time to upgrade as pointed out by LTT. There are way better CPU's out there. However, for me getting a new CPU, means new motherboard.

This is what I am gunning for the next sales go around:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 9700X (AM5) 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black 55 CFM CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX V2 ATX AM5 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory 
Storage: Samsung 990 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive
Total: $869.92 (pcpartpicker estimate)

I want to get my gaming drive off of SATA interface and use the PCI interface. I think I can do this without having to buy a new case, video card, or power supply. At least I will save money that way.

Edited November 24, 2024 by Tpaktop2_1 NA

[Admiral_Karasu]

1 minute ago, Tpaktop2_1 NA said:

It depends what are the requirements. If OP wants to play Cyberpunk 2077, I don't think the laptop will do it

Memory is not a problem with PC's. It is the cost of the VGA, which eats a 1/3 of the cost of a PC. 

I reached the age with my PC with old parts are having problems. I have a Ryzen5 3600X CPU (AM4) and now is the time to upgrade as pointed out by LTT. There are way better CPU's out there. However, for me getting a new CPU, means new motherboard.

This is what I am gunning for the next sales go around:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 9700X (AM5) 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black 55 CFM CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX V2 ATX AM5 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory 
Storage: Samsung 990 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive
Total: $869.92 (pcpartpicker estimate)

I want to get my gaming drive off of SATA interface and use the PCI interface. I think I can do this without having to buy a new case, video card, or power supply. At least I will save money that way.

Well, motherboards, too, have a finite life as I discovered when I think a few years old MSI MB started telling me that my PC case was 'open' or something along those lines.

As you said, both for laptops and desktops it depends what you plan to use it for. WoWS or Cyberpunk. The cheapest laptops should be a no go, for instance, because those can't even run YouTube videos properly. Picking up something with more reasonable performance, though, will usually cost more than desktops. One option with laptops is that there might be some 'reconditioned' laptops around, typically recycled from corporate use. Depends what the performance, price, and how reputable the seller is if that's a good option.

I'm a desktop oriented guy myself, two rigs ready to use, main one and older one in a Corsair Vengeance C70 case. Plus a laptop (second hand) that I practically never use.

[Wolfswetpaws]

54 minutes ago, Snargfargle said:

The main problem with laptops is heat. They can run cool and quiet all day long running business apps. However, it's a whole different thing when playing graphics-intensive games. While "gaming" laptops are powerful enough to play most games at high (if not ultra) settings, their tiny cooling fans are going to be screaming while doing so. The longer the gaming session lasts, the hotter the laptop is going to get until it finally starts throttling, which is the GPU, CPU, and SSD lowering their clock frequencies (and thus system performance) in order to remain within safe temperatures. Conversely, gaming desktops are usually equipped with large heatsinks that can maintain the system at a temperature that is compatible with maximum performance. You can game all day with a desktop PC.

 

An external laptop cooling fan can help, though.
Essentially it is a wide fan, and the laptop will sit on top of the fan.  
Lowers temperatures without increasing energy consumption much (usually operates via a USB connection).
https://pccores.com/knowledge-base/do-laptop-coolers-really-help/  

Cleaning the computer, by using a vacuum to suck the dust, is beneficial for both desktops and laptops. 
Just be careful to "ground" the equipment to prevent static electricity build-up and possible "shocks" that could damage components.
 

Edited November 24, 2024 by Wolfswetpaws

[Efros]

1 hour ago, Wolfswetpaws said:

This ^^^^^ is "conventional wisdom", among people who build their own computers for fun.

Not wisdom just stating fact, if you use a computer in one location then you'd be better off financially with a desktop, if you use a computer in more than one location then laptop it is. Until I put my current rig together I was on a gaming laptop for about 6 years. When my last laptop started to give up the ghost, I found the budget to be in the $1600 range which I couldn't justify. The desktop I put together was about 2/3 the price of the laptops I'd looked at and would kick their arses performance wise. I use my computer and my laptop, when I had it, in one location and so my new rig was built for that purpose, relatively small case, monitor on a stand, and keyboard on a small TV table. Ultimately you have to make the choice that's best  for your requirements.

[Wolfswetpaws]

Just now, Efros said:

Not wisdom just stating fact, if you use a computer in one location then you'd be better off financially with a desktop, if you use a computer in more than one location then laptop it is. Until I put my current rig together I was on a gaming laptop for about 6 years. When my last laptop started to give up the ghost, I found the budget to be in the $1600 range which I couldn't justify. The desktop I put together was about 2/3 the price of the laptops I'd looked at and would kick their arses performance wise. I use my computer and my laptop, when I had it, in one location and so my new rig was built for that purpose, relatively small case, monitor on a stand, and keyboard on a small TV table. Ultimately you have to make the choice that's best  for your requirements.

We are preaching to each other's choir.  🙂 
But, your own post (quoted above) supports my earlier post.

1.  You "tinker".
2.  You keep your desktop in a fixed location.

While a "budget" is a valid criteria for consideration, the original poster didn't state that they had a spending limit.  So, I didn't dwell on budgets.

My assumption was that they had enough money, and were looking at other factors (such as sufficient performance for the intended use) and wanted us to evaluate whether nor not the specifications of the system they were considering were the computer equivalent of a Yugo car or a Mazerati sports-car or something else that was good enough and won't be obsolete within a year.  🙂 

[Admiral_Karasu]

Well, if computers were benchmarked using cars as a reference, I could tell that if they'd be like Austin Allegro or Morris Marina, then it's a no no, or an 1970s American car, no, no and no. If it were Pinto, then multiply the no by a power of 10.

[Wolfswetpaws]

11 minutes ago, Admiral_Karasu said:

Well, if computers were benchmarked using cars as a reference, I could tell that if they'd be like Austin Allegro or Morris Marina, then it's a no no, or an 1970s American car, no, no and no. If it were Pinto, then multiply the no by a power of 10.

Speaking of the 1970's ... 

There was a children's television show, featuring a car that was equipped with a "magic horn" that allowed it to transform from "Schlep Car" into "Wonderbug" and help some teenagers fight crime.  🙂 

 

 

Quote

Wonderbug
TV Series  1976–1978

The adventures of a living clunker of a dune buggy that is able to become a superhero car.
 

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1239421/  
https://fraserengineco.com/fraser-fast-facts/wonderbug-to-the-rescue/  
 

Edited November 24, 2024 by Wolfswetpaws

[Captain Slattery]

18 hours ago, tm63au said:

Until I can do I deep dive into getting a good PC decided to get a gaming Laptop as a stopgap.

This laptop has got my attention so far I have read mostly very good reviews its last years model but i just cant afford this years not if I will end up getting a PC in the not to distant future.

 

My gaming rig bricked on me this past summer.  Rather than spend over a thousand dollars for another, I decided on this.  Wows runs perfectly fine on it.  I get between 80 and 100 fps while on medium settings.  I spent $350 at Amazon and it arrived in 2 days.

It has an integrated gpu using Vega 8 graphics.  Check out the YouTube reviews on it.  I get over 30 fps running Red Dead Redemption 2.  No stutters or screen tearing.

You may want to consider this as a viable alternative.

My specs.

Amazon has an upgraded version on sale right now for $320.

[HogHammer]

2 hours ago, Captain Slattery said:

You may want to consider this as a viable alternative.

I actually picked up two of these mini PCs (different brand). They are great space savers, deliver high-end laptop results, and are easy to upgrade.  All you need is a mouse, keyboard, and monitor, and you are all set.

[Efros]

Whatever you need for the applications you are using. Most of my time spent on my PC is for professional reasons and requires fairly decent performance but little to no GPU power, the GPU in my rig is purely for gaming. Not high end, RTX 3060 12GB, but more than good enough for the small range of games I play. If I wasn't playing games on it I would have probably gone for one of the $200 Dell/HP refurbs at Walmart, for the casual user they are ideal, get 3 years out of them and then think about a new one if necessary. I'm not trying to preach to anyone's choir just saying that you have to decide what is best for your circumstances and requirements.

[KJ82]

I bought a Lenovo Ideapad Gaming 3 for cheap at last Christmas. It was around 400 Euros on sale ( it was a promotion model on a shelf for a half year,for people to try out/see it, but it had still 3 years of warranty ). 15.6  Ryzen 5600H GTX 1650 16 GB Ram 512 GB SSD 120Hz IPS.

It runs WoWs perfectly fine in FHD max settings. Battery time is not great, but i dont use it from battery anyways.

 

Here is what the 1650 can do :

 

 

So even a much lower priced laptop than the one in the OP-s post is definiately enough to play WoWs smoothly.

[GandalfTehGray]

That laptop will definitely play Wows fine, here is our travel laptop:

Acer Nitro 5 AN515-55-53E5 Gaming Laptop 
Intel Core i5-10300H 
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 GPU 
15.6" FHD 144Hz IPS Display 
8GB DDR4
256GB NVMe SSD 

 

Have never ran into any problems playing ships but it does get very loud even just sitting in port. 

If you don't need the portability you can definitely build a better speced desktop. For roughly 50 more than I paid for this laptop in 2021 I built this for my wife this year:

CPU 3800x 

CPU Cooler Thermalright Frozen Prism 360 Black CPU Liquid Cooler TL-E12 V2 Series PWM Fan x3 

MSI Pro B550M-VC wifi pro series motherboard 

Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 Ram 32GB (2X16GB) 3200MHz CL16 Intel XMP 2.0 Computer Memory Black (CMK32GX4M2E3200C16) 

SSD WD_Black 2TB SN850x Nvme M.2 2280 

Gigabyte GV-R76Gaming OC-8GD Radeon RX7600 

PSU EVGA 750 N1, 750W, Power Supply 100-N1-0750-L1 

Corsair 4000D Airflow Tempered Glass Mid Tower ATX Case high airflow cable management system spacious interior two included 120mm fans black. 

 

If you have any parts safe to carry over it would be cheaper. (Hard drives, possibly power supply, mouse/keyboard, etc.)