New Dutch Airstrike Cruiser line and new Dutch OP Unique Commander

[OldSchoolGaming_Youtube]

So it seems like WG is really dubbling down on creating ships, lines and classes that you will never see during the battle but that will hit you over and over. Welcome to World of Everything EXEPT surface ship battle.

A "lighter" cruiser line than Golden Leeuw line with faster reloading guns with good HE penetrations (probably good fire starter) faster reloading and easier to hit (short bomb drop time) Airstrikes!

A new Unique Commander for the Netherlands will be added for testing: Lieutenant Admiral Conrad Helfrich.

Conrad Helfrich (1886-1962) was appointed commander of the Royal Netherlands Navy in the Dutch East Indies in 1939, a position from which he met the start of the Pacific War with initiative and aggression. Despite the Dutch Navy being vastly outmatched, Helfrich's command sunk more Japanese ships in the first weeks of the war than the British and American navies combined, earning him the nickname "Ship-a-day Helfrich".

He will have the following enhanced skills:

For Aircraft Carriers:

• Pyrotechnician: +2% and +6% chance of rockets and bombs causing fires respectively instead of standard +1% and +5%

For Battleships:

• Demolition Expert: +1.5% chance of main battery and secondary battery shells causing fires instead of standard +1%

For Cruisers:

• Demolition Expert: +1.5% chance of main battery and secondary battery shells causing fires instead of standard +1%

For Destroyers:

• Demolition Expert: +1.5% chance of main battery and secondary battery shells causing fires instead of standard +1%

Additionally, he will have the following talents:

Ship-a-Day Helfrich:

Activates upon dealing 40,000 damage. Bonuses:

• +3.2% main battery shell damage (to a total of 10% at max stacks).
• +3.2% bomb damage (to a total of 10% at max stacks).

Can be activated up to 3 times.

Fervor of Battle:

Activates upon earning the "Witherer" achievement. Bonuses:

• -10% main battery reload.
• -15% airstrike reload time.

Pugno pro patria:

Activates upon landing 50 bomb hits. Bonuses:

• +1 maximum airstrike charge.
• +3 squadron aircraft on deck.

So lets just summarize this for my Golden Leeuw games:

• 40 000 damage - CHECK! Probably happens in first 5 min of the game which then will give me a possible just flat 10% fdamage buff on both Main battery AND my Bombs!
• Witherer - CHECK! Really not that hard since both youre guns AND bombs set a ton of fires so that gives me 10% faster reloading Guns AND 15% faster reloading Airstrikes which already make Leg Mod Golden with 3 stackable strikes really OP.
• 50 bomb hits - CHECK! As well Really not that hard with Leg mod Golden with 3 stackable strikes, so this will PLUS ONE AIRSTRIKE CHARGE ......... PLUS ONE!!!!! Which means my Leg Mod Golden will have 4 .....!! .... 4 Stackable AIRSTRIKES...! 

This thing will NUKE any cap island hugging Salem or Des Moines, any Devestation or Conqueror, any French BB and probably a lot other, or it will just spam bombs on youre deck whatever ship you play.

Good luck! 

Flamu seem to think this is WGs way forwards. Monetizing really Broken/OP Commanders like they did with Lisboa and this Commander will probably be in bundles that you will have to FOMO gamble on and I don't think hes wrong!

Thoughts?

Edited November 22, 2024 by OldSchoolGaming_Youtube

[Nevermore135]

WG isn’t adding the commander next patch alongside the new Dutch CLs; it’s entering testing. I’m not going to count my chickens before they hatch.

Edited November 22, 2024 by Nevermore135

[Itwastuesday]

I love how the best use case for all new cruisers is to grief other cruisers. Yeah SCREW that 1 desmo you see every 20 games for trying to play the game 

[pepe_trueno]

at this point it is starting to look like that scene from matrix where NEO is fighting a never ending stream of agent smith, Just replace agents smith with planes 😅

 

 

 

 

[desmo_2]

1 hour ago, Itwastuesday said:

Yeah SCREW that 1 desmo you see every 20 games for trying to play the game

Hey, now!  😬

[Daniel_Allan_Clark]

1 hour ago, pepe_trueno said:

at this point it is starting to look like that scene from matrix where NEO is fighting a never ending stream of agent smith, Just replace agents smith with planes 😅

 

 

 

 

The true ww2 experience, right there.

Truth in advertising!

<I have to laugh...otherwise I cry>

[Ensign Cthulhu]

3 hours ago, OldSchoolGaming_Youtube said:

40 000 damage - CHECK! Probably happens in first 5 min of the game which then will give me a possible just flat 10% fdamage buff on both Main battery AND my Bombs!

No, you'll have to get to 120K damage before you get your 10% boost. Read it again carefully. 

3 hours ago, OldSchoolGaming_Youtube said:

Witherer - CHECK!

YOU might be getting Witherers regularly, but it doesn't mean that every Dutch cruiser player does or can.

3 hours ago, OldSchoolGaming_Youtube said:

50 bomb hits - CHECK!

Again, how often YOU achieve this in a Unique Upgrade Gouden is no barometer of how often the rest of the playerbase does. 

We also have to see how these figures survive testing. The NA stream comperes seemed to think it sounded a bit spicy, so there may be some modifications happening there - which is why the commander isn't being released with the ship.

 

What all this tells me is that WG is doubling down on forcing island campers out of their hidey holes to fight. Smacking the 12km radar cruiser hiding behind the island at the cap means that your destroyers can push forward in greater safety and take it, which is what you want them to do for the win. 

 

3 hours ago, OldSchoolGaming_Youtube said:

Monetizing really Broken/OP Commanders like they did with Lisboa

I did not pay a single cent to obtain Lisboa, and I had a relatively high duplicate rate. This accusation is on shaky ground, and it will collapse completely the minute the relevant containers appear for coal.

[Wolfswetpaws]

5 hours ago, OldSchoolGaming_Youtube said:

Conrad Helfrich (1886-1962) was appointed commander of the Royal Netherlands Navy in the Dutch East Indies in 1939, a position from which he met the start of the Pacific War with initiative and aggression. Despite the Dutch Navy being vastly outmatched, Helfrich's command sunk more Japanese ships in the first weeks of the war than the British and American navies combined, earning him the nickname "Ship-a-day Helfrich".

👍
Nice bit of history to learn.

[Itwastuesday]

@OldSchoolGaming_Youtube You know what this commander is actually perfect for? 

Groningen. You do damage to do more damage until the damage is through the roof. Easy witherer for even more dpm. Slightly better demo expert even.

[mashed68]

50 bomb hits is actually a decently high number for most people.

Witherer is something I've gotten like 4-5 times in several years of playing including grinding the dutch cruiser line and british bb line. 

You don't get the 4th strike on golden lion until you've already proped the mod. For every other cruiser its just a 3rd strike like legmod lion. 

[OldSchoolGaming_Youtube]

4 hours ago, Itwastuesday said:

@OldSchoolGaming_Youtube You know what this commander is actually perfect for? 

Groningen. You do damage to do more damage until the damage is through the roof. Easy witherer for even more dpm. Slightly better demo expert even.

That could work well also, but I just feel its a litte bit of one trick pony, even if that trick is pretty awesome. What I like with Golden and even Trump is that you have many ways of just stacking dameage upon damage upon damage, so I would probably use the unicue commander for those two and then switch over my Seasoned with boosted Demo Exp and AA to Groningen instead, so all 3 will be insane.

 

4 hours ago, mashed68 said:

50 bomb hits is actually a decently high number for most people.

Witherer is something I've gotten like 4-5 times in several years of playing including grinding the dutch cruiser line and british bb line. 

You don't get the 4th strike on golden lion until you've already proped the mod. For every other cruiser its just a 3rd strike like legmod lion. 

I mean you have 36 bombs in each drop and Leg mod Golden can stack 3 drops and even have faster reloads, so if just one BB gets close to a cap you will trigger this special talent on the new Commander.

I wonder how this game would have went with the new Unique Commander....

 

Or this....

Or this...

Or this ....

Most of these bomb hits is from the early part of the game when some players actually push in, in the second half its usually a bit harder to land because at that time most are fleeing, but since Golden is very tanky, had hydro and great fire chance on the guns you can usually pursue them and still drop them compfortably.

Edited November 22, 2024 by OldSchoolGaming_Youtube

[mashed68]

That's just golden lion. I notice you didn't do that in Harleem for instance....

And yes, you are good with your bomb drops. Others like me who do BB's usually, not so much. 

My point is only that while yes its a very powerful commander with easier to prop mods then say halsey [needing a confederate] I don't see it as a unstoppable force with no counters. 

[tocqueville8]

UU GL is already pretty toxic, and now it gets this. A tailor-made captain whose talents will be activated more games than not.

Meanwhile, try getting a Confederate in the Gearing, or to proc Kuznetsov's "will for victory" in the Grozovoi... 

[OldSchoolGaming_Youtube]

1 hour ago, mashed68 said:

That's just golden lion. I notice you didn't do that in Harleem for instance....

And yes, you are good with your bomb drops. Others like me who do BB's usually, not so much. 

My point is only that while yes its a very powerful commander with easier to prop mods then say halsey [needing a confederate] I don't see it as a unstoppable force with no counters. 

Why do Harlem when I can do Leg Mod Golden? I feel no need to try and nerf an OP Commander. I dont put Halsey on a T8 ship in my port.

My games in Golden went from 100-120 K games without Leg Mod which gives one more stackable drop to mostly over 200-220 K games With Leg Mod. So, this Commander will add an extra Leg Mod over my already OP Leg mod with 4 stackable strikes. 4 Well aimed drops can nuke most ships in the game, also Superships like Patrie and Devestation.... in one go. Salem and Des Moines the same. Zero counterplay as well if they try and hugg islands near caps .. which isn't un-common.

I never said it was un-stoppable with zero counter, for instance Subs can counter Golden pretty hard since it only gets ship based ASW.

[Ensign Cthulhu]

20 hours ago, OldSchoolGaming_Youtube said:

Why do Haarlem when I can do Leg Mod Golden?

Because there's a whole bunch of players in this game who haven't even ground up to the Haarlem yet, or don't yet have access to the Research Bureau to get the Gouden UU even if they had the ship. 

20 hours ago, OldSchoolGaming_Youtube said:

I dont put Halsey on a T8 ship in my port.

You do if it's the highest tier you've got in US. Again, NOT EVERYONE IS YOU. 

 

I started out wanting to help newbs, but I find it impossible to write event strategies for them anymore because seven years of play have turned me into that senior player who has almost everything and can reach for whatever OP tool he feels he needs. That being said, I still have some perspective on the fact that there are players who because of their inexperience do NOT (yet) have all those tools, do not (yet) have the expertise to handle those tools, and are in no danger (right now) of being overpowered if given them. 

[Sumseaman]

57 minutes ago, Ensign Cthulhu said:

Because there's a whole bunch of players in this game who haven't even ground up to the Haarlem yet, or don't yet have access to the Research Bureau to get the Gouden UU even if they had the ship. 

You do if it's the highest tier you've got in US. Again, NOT EVERYONE IS YOU. 

 

I started out wanting to help newbs, but I find it impossible to write event strategies for them anymore because seven years of play have turned me into that senior player who has almost everything and can reach for whatever OP tool he feels he needs. That being said, I still have some perspective on the fact that there are players who because of their inexperience do NOT (yet) have all those tools, do not (yet) have the expertise to handle those tools, and are in no danger (right now) of being overpowered if given them. 

I'm salivating right now.

Very true about a tool in the hands of one as compared to the other. I never try to view a ships capability based purely on a perspective of my abilities in it. It's the good old floor/ceiling all over again. It's a great reference in this regard if you look at @SoshiSonein the Tiger '59. What is seen as a garbage ship to many is a salt mine of the highest magnitude in their hands. Personally I haven't even touched a Dutch ship so my strikes would simply bring species of sea life to close extinction.

It still disgusts me EC that soooo many yummy ships of yours simply exist to molest bots and not cause random chat to explode with expletives and threats of sodomy and death. Still I find myself acquiring resources in Ops now quite a bit so who am I to judge. Who am I to judge indeed... 

[OldSchoolGaming_Youtube]

1 hour ago, Ensign Cthulhu said:

Because there's a whole bunch of players in this game who haven't even ground up to the Haarlem yet, or don't yet have access to the Research Bureau to get the Gouden UU even if they had the ship. 

So, the fact that not EVERY player in this game has Golden negates the fact that this is, just like Balboa+Libertad combo a really OP/Broken Commander/Combo? Its like saying Libertad is not an OP Ship because not EVERY player has it. Is that a good argument? Then Benham, Smolensk, Småland and every other OP ship in this game totally fine and not OP at all.

Sure, you can put Kusnezow and Halsey on youre T3 ship in Rus and US nations and those Unique commanders wont be powerful at all. They will be totally wasted. But any smart player in this game and especially all the thousand's of OG players that has every ship in this game (myself im just almost up too 300 ships in my port) WILL put these commanders on the strongest ships of those nations and the ones that will grand best buffs, doing anything else would be pants on head stoopid.

So this thread isn't necessary for Coop Mains, players that started this game last week or players that can't steer their ship out of spawn. This thread is for players that have some ships, have some skill, have some experience, play PvP, and have the understanding that this Cap on an already buffed ship with devastating airstrikes .... is kinda OP and not so good for the game. 

For example, C.Colombo has been collecting dust in my port for years, truly a meeh ship imho. Then they released the Leg Mod for that as well  (just after they already buffed the accuracy on the guns...) which game it double accuracy buffs and even more so when flying the spotterplane. So, I bought the Leg Mod, because I understand when some things are broken/OP and now I have Amazing games in it!

Going from 2 airstrikes to 3 with Leg mod pushed my damage up from 100-120 K to 200-220 K, so I can only fantasize what a fourth stackable airstrike will push it. Not to mention all the other buffs you proc with this commander.

 

1 hour ago, Ensign Cthulhu said:

You do if it's the highest tier you've got in US. Again, NOT EVERYONE IS YOU. 

No not everyone is me, but there are tons of players out there with more ships and more skill than I have, and these are the players that will get this captain, probably put him on Leg Mod Golden .... and you all will have to face them.

Edited November 23, 2024 by OldSchoolGaming_Youtube

[Ensign Cthulhu]

23 minutes ago, Sumseaman said:

It still disgusts me EC that soooo many yummy ships of yours simply exist to molest bots and not cause random chat to explode with expletives and threats of sodomy and death.

Weegee tends to take a dim view of such chat. 😈

3 minutes ago, OldSchoolGaming_Youtube said:

So, the fact that not EVERY player in this game has Golden negates the fact that this is, just like Balboa+Libertad combo a really OP/Broken Commander/Combo?

You're not even addressing the point I was replying to, which was you asking why someone would put Helfrich on Haarlem instead of Gouden. I told you why such a thing would happen. 

Also, the Pan Am legendary captain is Lisboa, not Balboa. You are confusing your Brazilian Admirals with your Italian-American boxers. Stop watching Rocky movies on repeat. 🤪

A "brokenly OP" commander/ship combo is only a problem when access to it is limited. Access to Libertad is NOT limited, and as soon as the crates drop into the Armory, access to Lisboa won't be either. Libertad is not unkillable. Libertad cannot secondary what it can't see. 

9 minutes ago, OldSchoolGaming_Youtube said:

This thread is for players that has some ships, has some skill, has some experience, plan PvP, and has the understanding that this ship on an already buffed ship with devastating airstrikes .... is kinda OP and not so good for the game. 

People threw a ragefit when the Dutch cruisers first brought airstrike to the game, and it was shown to be a storm in a teacup. Pretty sure this will be as well. 

9 minutes ago, OldSchoolGaming_Youtube said:

but there are tons of players out there with more ships and more skill than I have, and these are the players that will get this captain, probably put him on Leg Mod Golden .... and you all will have to face them.

I'll take my chances when I go into Randoms (as I did this afternoon). Goudens aren't invincible either.

[Sumseaman]

34 minutes ago, Ensign Cthulhu said:

Weegee tends to take a dim view of such chat. 😈

That's why you play that OPness in randoms, get peeps to fly off the handle in chat at you, then report them to WG for a nice little chat ban.

34 minutes ago, Ensign Cthulhu said:

I'll take my chances when I go into Randoms (as I did this afternoon). Goudens aren't invincible either.

They love them sum AP bombs rammed into their stationary, island hiding, cit laden ass too. DFAA runs out...

Edited November 23, 2024 by Sumseaman

[Aethervox]

On 11/22/2024 at 3:18 AM, OldSchoolGaming_Youtube said:

Lieutenant Admiral Conrad Helfrich.

I may get this 'Captain' depending on his cost to acquire. However, I have no interest, at all, in any Wedgie Fantasy Ships. I will only play historical Dutch ships. 😁

[Taylor3006]

I look forward to a new captain but just kind of bummed it is for a nation that I never play. I hate the airstrike mechanic so tend to ignore the Dutch stuff. They are not interesting nor fun IMHO and only have the tech tree cruisers for the snowflake rewards they represent. If I needed port slots they would be the second group of ships I would sell off following the sale of my submarines.