Why Is WG so Anti-Co-Op?

[HamAndCheez]

From the Leyte event, you are unable to proceed unless you play with toxic random people.

I have only 25 random games in almost 4 years of play and I refuse to be forced to play a mode I am not interested in.

WG's typical behavior is disappointing. I thought they might have changed by now...

[Wolfswetpaws]

Sounds like you are properly informed of your options.

Personally, I wanted the Enterprise in my Port.  So, I braved random battles and completed the mission tasks.
And, yes, I welcomed the Enterprise to my Port.

If the mission is not your "cup of tea", then no one is stopping you from singing your personal rendition of "I did it my way".

Frank Sinatra - My Way (Lyrics) 2008 Remastered "I did it my way"

  
 

Edited November 8 by Wolfswetpaws

[Unlooky]

12 minutes ago, HamAndCheez said:

From the Leyte event, you are unable to proceed unless you play with toxic random people.

I have only 25 random games in almost 4 years of play and I refuse to be forced to play a mode I am not interested in.

WG's typical behavior is disappointing. I thought they might have changed by now...

Wow, I didn't know Wargaming deleted the Co-Op mode. 

 

Nobody is forcing you to do shit. 

[Asym]

24 minutes ago, HamAndCheez said:

From the Leyte event, you are unable to proceed unless you play with toxic random people.

I have only 25 random games in almost 4 years of play and I refuse to be forced to play a mode I am not interested in.

WG's typical behavior is disappointing. I thought they might have changed by now...

Well, it's a marketing and sales gimmick to measure cross-over percentages....  That's all....  So, they have some metrics of how hard they can push PVE to capitulate and play PVP....  
The solution is play freaking Randoms and "get er done.."    It's a one or two Random match for most players.  Heck, I even did it in few more than two matches;  because,  of the "survive the battle" qualifier (I never end up on the winning team lol)...   But, it took maybe two hours and that was that.

Go for it ! 

 

[mashed68]

37 minutes ago, HamAndCheez said:

From the Leyte event, you are unable to proceed unless you play with toxic random people.

lol show us on the screen where the mean words from some random internet person that's who knows how far away hurt you.

To answer the Q, probably because 1000 people playing against 1000 bots take a lot more server power [money]then 1000 people playing against each other. 

Edited November 8 by mashed68

[Unlooky]

20 minutes ago, mashed68 said:

To answer the Q, probably because 1000 people playing against 1000 bots take a lot more server power [money]then 1000 people playing against each other. 

Not even that, this mission being PvP only seems to be for the difficulty as 99% of Co-Op games would fullfill this condition. 

Still waiting for co-op players to realize they are the minority of the playerbase and these opt in events are not custom tailored for them. 

[Kruzenstern]

1 hour ago, HamAndCheez said:

From the Leyte event, you are unable to proceed unless you play with toxic random people.

You don't need the Cape Engano chain to proceed in the event, it is just for enabling the enterprise sale. Of course, WG did not make that exactly obvious, but yes, you can proceed in the Leyte event without PvP.

[Frostbow]

1 hour ago, HamAndCheez said:

From the Leyte event, you are unable to proceed unless you play with toxic random people.

I finished that task using the St. Vincent. I sunk a Black who was 10 km away from my kiting ship. He fired his guns and I saw him, then blasted his DD to oblivion. 

Zero toxicity. 100% fun.

[meatgrindr]

  Weird- the responses are the same as the previous 2 or 3 times this exact same complaint has come up.  I am a co op main and took all of 2 games to complete this task.  It really is not a big deal.  If it is that big of a deal, maybe just skip it and move on.  Also weird- I am of the opinion that WG is much friendlier to co op now than they used to be.

[Sumseaman]

I recall WG creating Coop as a training/familiarisation mode originally and never to be intended as one that is to be the dominate for any player. Of course it's fair enough that players choose for it to be so however. It is nice that they have now included Operations all the way up to tier 10 which is at least an acknowledgement that this environment is more suited to some.

Seriously though one task in the combat mission requires something really easy to obtain. Really not worth making that much of a fuss over. It could very well be some peeps at WG trolling the coop mains and laughing.

I would more be concerned with the campaign requirements where if you want to get the USN/IJN legendary commanders you are doing randoms/ranked whether you like it or not.

Anyway, long story short, if you want to complete all of the event you will join us on the salty seas of randoms and savour all of it!

Edited November 9 by Sumseaman

[Taylor3006]

3 hours ago, meatgrindr said:

  Weird- the responses are the same as the previous 2 or 3 times this exact same complaint has come up.  I am a co op main and took all of 2 games to complete this task.  It really is not a big deal.  If it is that big of a deal, maybe just skip it and move on.  Also weird- I am of the opinion that WG is much friendlier to co op now than they used to be.

Yeah no doubt that they are friendlier to co-op than in the olden days. Still I understand the OP's point too. It is annoying and there really isn't a good reason not to include a separate path for PvE players to complete the missions without having to play a mode they find distasteful. Add to that the whining from PvP players about co-op player in their mode, it really just becomes an awful experience for many.  One reason I quit watching WoWS streamers was their constant degradation of PvE players.  PvP is toxic, stagnant, and in most matches, boring. Close games are rare, most are hardly more fun than stomping bots as landslides are common. With the introduction of enhanced Operations and Asymmetric Battles, the game is far more entertaining than it ever has been. If Wargaming had an ounce of common sense, they would have made a path thru one of those modes to complete the mission so that everyone would have the opportunity to spend thousands of doubloons an a stupid ship.

It is all so cringeworthy.  

[Taylor3006]

9 minutes ago, Sumseaman said:

I recall WG creating Coop as a training/familiarisation mode originally and never to be intended as one that is to be the dominate for any player. Of course it's fair enough that players choose for it to be so however. It is nice that they have now included Operations all the way up to tier 10 which is at least an acknowledgement that this environment is more suited to some.

Seriously though one task in the combat mission requires something really easy to obtain. Really not worth making that much of a fuss over. It could very well be some peeps at WG trolling the coop mains and laughing.

I would more be concerned with the campaign requirements where if you want to get the USN/IJN legendary commanders you are doing randoms/ranked whether you like it or not.

Anyway, long story short, if you want to complete all of the event you will join us on the salty seas of randoms and savour all of it!

That was what they used to say over and over again. The idea that the people who designed the game were unaware of the potential of a PvE mode is just beyond stupid. That presupposes that people designing a game did not understand gaming or gamers............................ 

[BOBTHEBALL]

 

5 hours ago, HamAndCheez said:

From the Leyte event, you are unable to proceed unless you play with toxic random people.

I have only 25 random games in almost 4 years of play and I refuse to be forced to play a mode I am not interested in.

WG's typical behavior is disappointing. I thought they might have changed by now...

As far as missions go is this really worth complaining about? I mean getting a single kill under 10km, that happens in basically all co-op matches. Also something you can do is disable chat, this will let you play your random game without having to suffer through the toxicity. Also if you get any messages in port being mean, just remember to send a message to player support. They do and will give punishments to people who have a go at you.

[Daniel_Allan_Clark]

5 hours ago, HamAndCheez said:

I thought they might have changed by now...

Why would you think that?

 

4 hours ago, Unlooky said:

Still waiting for co-op players to realize they are the minority of the playerbase and these opt in events are not custom tailored for them. 

I'm still waiting for WG leadership to realize how much money they leave on the table with their short sighted business model...

...but WG seeing that is as likely as folks who attack the playerbase as the root cause of anything in this game realizing doing so does nothing but make the attacker look like a clueless elitist.

3 hours ago, meatgrindr said:

Also weird- I am of the opinion that WG is much friendlier to co op now than they used to be.

LOL

Good luck with that idea. I wonder how long it will be before WG reverts to their true self.

18 minutes ago, Sumseaman said:

It could very well be some peeps at WG trolling the coop mains and laughing.

Indeed. WG staff do like to troll.

9 minutes ago, Taylor3006 said:

If Wargaming had an ounce of common sense, they would have made a path thru one of those modes to complete the mission so that everyone would have the opportunity to spend thousands of doubloons an a stupid ship.

It is all so cringeworthy.

Indeed. Placing the blame where it actually resides...the cringeworthy folks who run the game.

[AdmiralThunder]

6 hours ago, HamAndCheez said:

From the Leyte event, you are unable to proceed unless you play with toxic random people.

I have only 25 random games in almost 4 years of play and I refuse to be forced to play a mode I am not interested in.

WG's typical behavior is disappointing. I thought they might have changed by now...

Ham my man.

You know how I feel about WG and how they treat Co-op/PVE players. You are an NA veteran so you know my stance on all this. WG and many players (this thread has examples of it) will just never get it that many players just dislike PVP (in this game and overall). They can't wrap their minds around that for some reason. It is what it is so don't let WG or anyone else bother you. 

However, the truth is we have much more inclusion in events as Co-op players now then we used to. "Most" things have a path through Co-op. So, if occasionally they do this, while I find it upsetting, I will let it go. Unless they revert to their old ways where there is no Co-op path or they intentionally allow Co-op for tasks that are impossible to do there, and then claim it was a mistake, I won't lose a lot of sleep. I will either venture into the cesspool that is PVP or ignore the event.

This task, while requiring PVP play, is doable even for a Co-op main. Just grab a T5 BB (small maps unless bottom tier) you are good in and go to Randoms. It shouldn't take too many games. You might even luck out and get a T4/T5 game with bots on a small map the 1st game and be done. Move up and just focus on getting that kill at less than 10km then turn and kite away and live. Win is not a requirement. I don't know what you have for ships as your profile is private but if you have Giulio Cesare take that and look for a Cruiser to blap. Konig is another good choice with a secondary build. You can even hold your shot and then kill steal if needed. WG set the requirement and forces people there so if you are comfortable doing so just do your mission and don't worry about team play. I did it in 2 games in GC. Could have been 1 but I wasn't comfortable not trying to win and died in the 1st one. But as said just get the kill then kite away to live if that works for you. And, low tier Randoms is not anywhere near as toxic as higher tiers. The play is more Co-op like as well (up close and fight vs passive and boring).

Also, you aren't required to do this mission set to get Tennessee. This is the optional one that unlocks the ability to buy Enterprise. So, it can be ignored, and you still get Tennessee. If you want to be able to buy Enterprise, you have no choice but otherwise just ignore it. The tokens don't give you enough to get anything other than credits and crates as well. So just ignore the mission unless you want the CV.

Edited November 9 by AdmiralThunder

[meatgrindr]

34 minutes ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said:

Good luck with that idea. I wonder how long it will be before WG reverts to their true self.

  Well, tbh, I have had good luck with that idea.  But then I give very little thought about WG reverting to its true self, whatever that actually means.

[Admiral_Karasu]

This would probably be very easy to do in coop, but looking at the reward even, what would be be wrong there being some very easy missions as well, especially since these missions can't be completed parallel.

However, it's good to see WG being specific that you have to achieve sinking one ship and surviving the battle in a single battle.

[Kratbowl]

At first, this also surprised me (although I personally ended up being very lucky - I completed it in the very first random on a Vampire), and then I remembered that the final prize is Tennessee, just a moment, a premium T8 ship.

[OldSchoolGaming_Youtube]

For the "Get 30 citadels or Incapacitation" mission I can highly recommend Libertad secondaries Vs. Bot Cruisers and DDs. You get maybe 4-8 in each short 7-8 min game and just rinse -repeat.

[Kratbowl]

1 hour ago, OldSchoolGaming_Youtube said:

For the "Get 30 citadels or Incapacitation" mission I can highly recommend Libertad secondaries

Des Moines in coop is good too. American 203 with great CD - many citadels from cruisers.

[pew_pew_magoo]

I would like to see rewards that are only attainable from doing well in each battle mode. 
 

Have rewards only available for randoms like unique upgrades or ships. 
 

Ranked could have a great reward for completing gold like unique economic boosters. 
 

Co-op could get something like a unique commanders with skills geared towards co-op play. 

[Taylor3006]

7 hours ago, Kratbowl said:

At first, this also surprised me (although I personally ended up being very lucky - I completed it in the very first random on a Vampire), and then I remembered that the final prize is Tennessee, just a moment, a premium T8 ship.

The PvP only missions are not required to be done in order to get TN. 

[Nevermore135]

6 hours ago, OldSchoolGaming_Youtube said:

For the "Get 30 citadels or Incapacitation" mission I can highly recommend Libertad secondaries Vs. Bot Cruisers and DDs. You get maybe 4-8 in each short 7-8 min game and just rinse -repeat.

4 hours ago, Kratbowl said:

Des Moines in coop is good too. American 203 with great CD - many citadels from cruisers.

I completed the mission with Royal Navy battleships in Coop. Nelson can get 4-5 incapacitation ribbons off a bot DD in a single HE salvo.

[AdmiralThunder]

1 hour ago, pew_pew_magoo said:

I would like to see rewards that are only attainable from doing well in each battle mode. 
 

Have rewards only available for randoms like unique upgrades or ships. 
 

Ranked could have a great reward for completing gold like unique economic boosters. 
 

Co-op could get something like a unique commanders with skills geared towards co-op play. 

With respect I hate that idea as a regular thing or to be the model of the game. Why force people to play modes they don't want to just to get some pixel baubles? The goal of a business should be to engage and keep as many customers as possible happy. Have events and allow completion in the mode of choice. Everyone wins that way including WG.

[pew_pew_magoo]

7 minutes ago, AdmiralThunder said:

With respect I hate that idea as a regular thing or to be the model of the game. Why force people to play modes they don't want to just to get some pixel baubles? The goal of a business should be to engage and keep as many customers as possible happy. Have events and allow completion in the mode of choice. Everyone wins that way including WG.

No one would force you to do anything. If you want certain rewards, you just have to complete certain task in certain modes. The more difficult the task, the better the reward.