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The title sounds slightly exaggerated, but I want to show how much I appreciate these French vessels. A certain famous Greek streamer inspired me to go and give both Normandie, Dunkerque and Lyon a try again. In fact I had to rebuy Normandie and Lyon for my 1. account and am very glad that I did so. I played a couple of randoms on them and they didn't disappoint, in contrary. Now they represent the exact opposite to me what they were ca. 1,5 years ago. More experience, practice and better skills do provide a totally different insight. They are a pleasure to sail, handle nicely and their guns are absolutely lethal IMO. Mid - tiers take on a completely new meaning, also and especially due to these ships. 

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1 hour ago, OT2_2 said:

They are a pleasure to sail, handle nicely and their guns are absolutely lethal IMO. Mid - tiers take on a completely new meaning, also and especially due to these ships

Very much so. They are highly enjoyable ships. At least Normandie and Lyon - I haven't quite warmed up to Dunkerque yet, but I'm playing too little...

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50 minutes ago, I_cant_Swim_ said:

Very much so. They are highly enjoyable ships. At least Normandie and Lyon - I haven't quite warmed up to Dunkerque yet, but I'm playing too little...

I'm playing too little overall, and even less any of these French ships. I've noticed that I typically pick the same ships every time.

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14 minutes ago, Admiral_Karasu said:

I'm playing too little overall, and even less any of these French ships.

I think the relatively short reach of these french BBs tends to put people off, cos if you're anything like me you close in like a potato and get walloped on detection by cross-fire. So you need to be stealthy till you can make the shots count. And they can really count. Map awareness and all that.

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1 hour ago, Admiral_Karasu said:

I'm playing too little overall, and even less any of these French ships. I've noticed that I typically pick the same ships every time.

You should absolutely give them a try. As I said they are a pleasure to sail and handle. Their gun range isn't actually bad for T6 + 7 standards, so no problem to play them at mid - range. Due to their armor layout they are everything but brawlers, so good angling, preferably taking kiting position in the start is to recommend.  

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2 hours ago, I_cant_Swim_ said:

I think the relatively short reach of these french BBs tends to put people off, cos if you're anything like me you close in like a potato and get walloped on detection by cross-fire. So you need to be stealthy till you can make the shots count. And they can really count. Map awareness and all that.

What bothers me about some of the French battleship designs, is that the majority of the main-gun turrets are aft of the ship's bridge.
The ship has to either be 'kiting' or show too much broadside to utilize all of her main-guns.

Of course, the French also provided ships with zero main-guns aft of the bridge.  😉 
So, there's that.

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4 minutes ago, Wolfswetpaws said:

What bothers me about some of the French battleship designs, is that the majority of the main-gun turrets are aft of the ship's bridge.
The ship has to either be 'kiting' or show too much broadside to utilize all of her main-guns.

Indeed. Showing too much broadside just ends so predictably unless you get one of those rare deleting lucky strikes, so that leaves kiting as the main tactic for heavy strikes.

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4 minutes ago, I_cant_Swim_ said:

Indeed. Showing too much broadside just ends so predictably unless you get one of those rare deleting lucky strikes, so that leaves kiting as the main tactic for heavy strikes.

'Showing too much broadside'... you make it sound the same as 'showing too much ankle'.

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French T6 DD premium Aigle is the only french DD that i like, i have even used it one evening to complete T6 Rankeds Bronze. It has good agility, good torps in T6, you can outgun DDs and torp BBs easily to finish your league with it.

It is very efficent for Bronze, but personally i prefer japanese DDs more.

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31 minutes ago, Admiral_Karasu said:

'Showing too much broadside'... you make it sound the same as 'showing too much ankle'.

No, that’s something different. Some ships expose vulnerabilities in their armor scheme when they heave over in the middle of a hard turn. FdG is probably the most infamous of these - the placement and angle of the turtleback allows saavy (or lucky) players to get citadel shots under her turtleback during hard maneuvers.

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1 minute ago, Nevermore135 said:

No, that’s something different. Some ships expose vulnerabilities in their armor scheme when they heave over in the middle of a hard turn. FdG is probably the most infamous of these - the angle of the turtleback allows saavy (or lucky) players to get shots under her turtleback “skirt” during hard maneuvers.

Well, I actually did mean 'ankle' not 'angle'.

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9 minutes ago, Admiral_Karasu said:

Well, I actually did mean 'ankle' not 'angle'.

I know. The specific situation I described is referred to as “showing too much ankle” by some. It’s the act of the turn itself, and the listing of the ship during the turn, not just the angle of the hull to the threat, that exposes the vulnerability. 

The turtleback “skirt” is lifted during the maneuver.

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56 minutes ago, Admiral_Karasu said:

'Showing too much broadside'... you make it sound the same as 'showing too much ankle'.

4 minutes ago, Nevermore135 said:

I know. The specific situation I described is referred to as “showing too much ankle” by some. It’s the act of the turn itself, and the listing of the ship during the turn, not just the angle of the hull to the threat, that exposes the vulnerability. 

The turtleback “skirt” is lifted during the maneuver.

All German main line BBs suffer from that. Hard turns in close-to-mid range combat can be deleterious.

Back on topic, I enjoyed Lyon a lot, Normandie not so much. In fact, I still have Jean-Jacques Honoré as the former's official captain, although I think he's currently assigned to Jean Bart. Being so used to IJN DDs, Lyon's pair of aft turrets makes her quite comfortable to adjust to when going for a stroll at lower tiers than usual (same with Königsberg and Nürnberg).

Salute.

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5 minutes ago, Estaca_de_Bares said:

All German main line BBs suffer from that. Hard turns in close-to-mid range combat can be deleterious.

But to different degrees. IIRC, FdG’s turtleback geometry makes per particularly susceptible to the phenomenon, which is why I cited her.

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Fine ships, they be. 

I played the tech line bb's after most other ones, so I was able to make the French bb's work well. I also got Dunkurque in a crate a few months back and find it fun.

Just recently I ground up the super cruisers. Liked em so much I bought Toulon from the armory.  

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