Battleship line most similar to Ipiranga

[AncalagonTheWyrm]

So I love Ipiranga, especially her agility and secondaries. But until the PanAm line is released, which line would be the most similar to it? I suspect German battlecruisers?

[Admiral_Karasu]

Very quickly and superficially looking at it, Zieten looks to have better secondaries but the rudder shift time is close to double that of Ipiranga.

[Nevermore135]

1 hour ago, AncalagonTheWyrm said:

So I love Ipiranga, especially her agility and secondaries. But until the PanAm line is released, which line would be the most similar to it? I suspect German battlecruisers?

In the sense of battleships that can actually run an effective secondary build, prior to the Pan-American battleships the German CC line was the only one. Higher tier German BBs used to be able to run a decent, if suboptimal, secondary build, but the nerf to the manual secondaries skill (both the ramp up period and less of a boost) was keenly felt. WG buffed their base secondary dispersion by ~20% shortly afterwards, but it wasn’t enough. The end result has their maximum accuracy similar to what it was pre-rework, but you still have to wait quite a while before you get there, which noticeably reduced the effectiveness of the secondaries against cruisers and especially DDs.

 

Edited October 10 by Nevermore135

[Itwastuesday]

Yeah, Schlieffen line. Though their agility is a little bit more straight line speedy and their brawling has a bit more torpedoes in it. Also the main guns are less of a joke than on Ipiranga.

[ReDiR20]

Schlieffen line, better ships on all tiers 

[Daniel_Allan_Clark]

In terms of agility, nothing is comparable.

[Admiral_Karasu]

1 minute ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said:

In terms of agility, nothing is comparable.

Yeah well trust me to have been able to hit a rock with it straight on.

[ReDiR20]

16 minutes ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said:

In terms of agility, nothing is comparable.

 

RN BC

[Ensign Cthulhu]

2 hours ago, AncalagonTheWyrm said:

But until the PanAm line is released, which line would be the most similar to it? I suspect German battlecruisers?

Why wonder? The line goes live in three-ish weeks, and unless you want to spend that time grinding to the very top of some other line in the hope of achieving similarity, I would counsel patient waiting. 

Now maybe you're the sort of person who can go up a line in a week, in which case knock yourself out, but you're looking for a line with god-tier secondaries and no torpedoes. And the only line that even comes close IMHO is the Preussen line (apart from the Gneisenau, whose torps are an aberration in that line), but the PanAms switching to 9.2 inch secondaries at Tier 9 plus not having hydro still puts them in a totally different bracket.

[Daniel_Allan_Clark]

12 minutes ago, ReDiR20 said:

 

RN BC

Doesn't turn nearly as well or responsively as the PanAm line.

[Daniel_Allan_Clark]

26 minutes ago, Admiral_Karasu said:

Yeah well trust me to have been able to hit a rock with it straight on.

I did that too in my second match...because I wasn't used to the absurd tight turning circle and OVER turned.

[ReDiR20]

34 minutes ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said:

Doesn't turn nearly as well or responsively as the PanAm line.

 

They do, did you even play them?

[Daniel_Allan_Clark]

2 minutes ago, ReDiR20 said:

 

They do, did you even play them?

St Vincent: 17 second rudder shift, 970m turning circle

Libertad: 13.6 second rudder shift, 910m turning circle

That rudder shift really sets Libertad apart.

[mashed68]

German BC's are the only tech tree ships that are close. Slap rudder shift mod on and they move good too. 

 

[Project45_Opytny]

They are unique and nothing currently available is really comparable (and in turn most of new ships should bring something new and effective to justify their addition): Los Andes and Libertad are ships with British hull outlines, main battery arranged like Fuso and Rio de Janeiro, Atlantico-like secondaries (with "Massachusetts" dispersion, slow reload but high damage and penetration), protection schemes like a mixture of Kreml, Vermont and Colombo, "hyper-improved acceleration" from British light cruisers and destroyers, improved DCP and RP like American brawlers and a Combat Instruction addition.

German battlecruisers have powerful secondaries yet besides that have many significant differences: commander build, tatical potential, etc.

5 hours ago, ReDiR20 said:

They do, did you even play them?

British battlecruisers are faster in straight line and have engine boost, however Pan-Am battleships have even better improved acceleration comparing with the British.

Take T10 ships for example: Libertad, with top speed of 30kts, enjoys boosted acceleration (which makes the ship much more responsive to throttle shifts and faster in turns) up to 27.5kts (30/27.5), more in line with Minotaur and Darling (33.5/31.16 and 35/32.55 respectively) and somewhat with Vermont (23/21.35) than St.Vincent (32.5/23.9).

[Kruzenstern]

Other than the obvious german BCs...

They are not battleships, but the french large cruisers are actually somewhat similar, they have buffed secondaries and comparable rudder shift with tighter turning.

Their secondaries are weaker though (pen and dpm, and especially at tier 9) and there are no combat instructions for them. Now that I think about it I have to wonder why play french CCs at all when there are those latin BBs. But I can vouch for Marseille being strong and fun in Asymmetrics at least.

Also Schröder and Michelangelo offer a somewhat nimble ship with good secondaries. The closest thing will be West Virginia '44 though, she also offers the fast acceleration that noone else has and has better secondaries than Massachussetts.

Ship stats

[SoshiSone]

If you like Ipiranga, then try Zieten and Bismarck.  

To be fair, each have unique differences that affect play style. So you can't play them exactly alike.  They just have overlapping play styles.  

[Captain_Rawhide]

21 hours ago, AncalagonTheWyrm said:

So I love Ipiranga, especially her agility and secondaries. But until the PanAm line is released, which line would be the most similar to it? I suspect German battlecruisers?

Well I kind of lump all secondary ships into the same bucket.  I would suggest you give Napoli a try.  One of my favorite ships in the game.  She's fast and nimble with great secondaries (just not the range of the German BBs).  Has a crawling smoke to let you get close for secondary action.  Just allot of fun to play.

Edited October 11 by Captain_Rawhide

[AncalagonTheWyrm]

22 hours ago, Itwastuesday said:

Yeah, Schlieffen line. Though their agility is a little bit more straight line speedy and their brawling has a bit more torpedoes in it. Also the main guns are less of a joke than on Ipiranga.

23 hours ago, Admiral_Karasu said:

Very quickly and superficially looking at it, Zieten looks to have better secondaries but the rudder shift time is close to double that of Ipiranga.

20 hours ago, mashed68 said:

German BC's are the only tech tree ships that are close. Slap rudder shift mod on and they move good too. 

 

Thanks!

21 hours ago, Ensign Cthulhu said:

Why wonder? The line goes live in three-ish weeks, and unless you want to spend that time grinding to the very top of some other line in the hope of achieving similarity, I would counsel patient waiting. 

Now maybe you're the sort of person who can go up a line in a week, in which case knock yourself out, but you're looking for a line with god-tier secondaries and no torpedoes. And the only line that even comes close IMHO is the Preussen line (apart from the Gneisenau, whose torps are an aberration in that line), but the PanAms switching to 9.2 inch secondaries at Tier 9 plus not having hydro still puts them in a totally different bracket.

Because I already have Iparanga and I do not want to rush to Tier IX and X just yet. I want to get at least one other BB line to Tier VIII (currently I have French BB to Tier VII), and preferably two.

I am also not convinced I'd enjoy uppermost tiers. Tiers V - VIII seem most fun to me so far, from what I have seen when I got uptiered to T IX and X.

[Ensign Cthulhu]

4 minutes ago, AncalagonTheWyrm said:

Because I already have Iparanga and I do not want to rush to Tier IX and X just yet. I want to get at least one other BB line to Tier VIII (currently I have French BB to Tier VII), and preferably two.

Okay, I understand. In that case, I would recommend the German and British battlecruiser lines, the ones that go to Schlieffen and St Vincent respectively. I have played both lines in each nation to their end, and I found the battlecruiser lines much more fun. 

[mashed68]

1 hour ago, AncalagonTheWyrm said:

I am also not convinced I'd enjoy uppermost tiers. Tiers V - VIII seem most fun to me so far, from what I have seen when I got uptiered to T IX and X.

Yeah that doesn't change as you get more experience either lol. 

[AncalagonTheWyrm]

On 10/11/2024 at 7:46 PM, Ensign Cthulhu said:

Okay, I understand. In that case, I would recommend the German and British battlecruiser lines, the ones that go to Schlieffen and St Vincent respectively. I have played both lines in each nation to their end, and I found the battlecruiser lines much more fun. 

Thanks!