Iwami, Agir, Groningen, which one is better at making bank in Operations?

[RomaThePastaBote]

I finally decided to hop back to the game after hearing the new 9-10 Ops has finally dropped. Then I realised that I had already traded my Dalian for Sandy. Now I kind of need something to fill in the credit maker role. I left Azuma out because I already have Yoshino, and think that they are too similar to warrant a purchase.

[Wolfswetpaws]

The Iwami can be "tanky" enough to survive an intense Scenario Operation and she can send out some damage with her guns, torpedoes and sec-bat guns.

The Agir does all of that, too, but with a less "tanky" hull and less potent weaponry (but the guns reload faster).

I don't have the Groningen, but my limited understanding is that she's a DD with pew-pew-pew guns.
More of a challenge to play and survive if she becomes the target of focused fire from multiple ships simultaneously.

I have two of the three ships.  Of those, I'd probably take the Iwami when I want to kick some aft in a Scenario Operation.

Welcome back.  🙂 

[RomaThePastaBote]

11 minutes ago, Wolfswetpaws said:

The Iwami can be "tanky" enough to survive an intense Scenario Operation and she can send out some damage with her guns, torpedoes and sec-bat guns.

The Agir does all of that, too, but with a less "tanky" hull and less potent weaponry (but the guns reload faster).

I don't have the Groningen, but my limited understanding is that she's a DD with pew-pew-pew guns.
More of a challenge to play and survive if she becomes the target of focused fire from multiple ships simultaneously.

I have two of the three ships.  Of those, I'd probably take the Iwami when I want to kick some aft in a Scenario Operation.

Welcome back.  🙂 

Thank you for the swift reply.

Do you build your Iwami on secondary or main gun? I just have a look and the secondary seems a bit short on range, and without the ASM1 I am worried that the shell is going all over the place, especially the vertical dispersion. So I sort of leaning on Agir as of now, but I have not watched any video on her yet, she may or may not have the troublesome dispersion as well💀.

[100 Krakens]

Iwami, build for main guns & survivalbility, use torps a lot. 
Or just get Pommern or Illinois 🙂

[Wolfswetpaws]

18 hours ago, RomaThePastaBote said:

Thank you for the swift reply.

Do you build your Iwami on secondary or main gun? I just have a look and the secondary seems a bit short on range, and without the ASM1 I am worried that the shell is going all over the place, especially the vertical dispersion. So I sort of leaning on Agir as of now, but I have not watched any video on her yet, she may or may not have the troublesome dispersion as well💀.

My Iwami build.

Captain's Skills
Last Stand (Edit:  Preventive Maintenance, oops.  https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:List_of_Commander_Skills#Preventive_Maintenance  )
Grease the Gears
Long-Range Secondary Battery Shells
Manual Secondary Battery Aiming
Fire Prevention (really helps with survivability)

Equipment
Main Armaments Modification 1
Damage Control System Modification 1
Aiming Systems Modification-1
Steering Gears Modification 1
Concealment System Modification 1
Auxiliary Armaments Modification 2 (I take this for the added AA and because it doesn't penalize any other performance aspect of the ship).

Consumables
Damage Control Party
Repair Party (4 charges)

Signal Flag(s)
Sierra Mike (5% speed improvement)

Main Battery Reload time = 28.0 seconds
Maximum range = 22.3 km
Maximum dispersion = 227 m

Secondary Battery 
Maximum range = 8.8 km
The 100mm guns will penetrate up to 30mm of armor
The 155mm guns will penetrate up to 26mm of armor 

Torpedoes
180 degree turn time = 6.0 seconds
Reload time = 150 seconds
Max range = 20.0 km
Max damage = 20,967 points of damage
Speed = 62 knots
Detectability = 2.5 km

Feel free to ask questions.  If I don't have the answer, someone else might.  🙂 

Edited September 14 by Wolfswetpaws

[Wolfswetpaws]

6 minutes ago, 100 Krakens said:

Iwami, build for main guns & survivalbility, use torps a lot. 
Or just get Pommern or Illinois 🙂

The Iwami may be a few knots slower, but she can turn tighter than the Illinois and the Pommern.
It's up to each player to decide the importance of these criteria.  🙂 

Illinois guns reload fast, but don't hit as hard per projectile.
Pommern has "German dispersion" for her main-guns.
Again, the player can decide what's important or "good enough".  🙂 

[Wolfswetpaws]

Tagging @Sailor_Moon to get her opinion on the original poster's situation.  🙂 

[RomaThePastaBote]

6 minutes ago, Wolfswetpaws said:

My Iwami build.

Captain's Skills
Last Stand
Grease the Gears
Long-Range Secondary Battery Shells
Manual Secondary Battery Aiming
Fire Prevention (really helps with survivability)

Equipment
Main Armaments Modification 1
Damage Control System Modification 1
Aiming Systems Modification-1
Steering Gears Modification 1
Concealment System Modification 1
Auxiliary Armaments Modification 2 (I take this for the added AA and because it doesn't penalize any other performance aspect of the ship).

Consumables
Damage Control Party
Repair Party (4 charges)

Signal Flag(s)
Sierra Mike (5% speed improvement)

Main Battery Reload time = 28.0 seconds
Maximum range = 22.3 km
Maximum dispersion = 227 m

Secondary Battery 
Maximum range = 8.8 km
The 100mm guns will penetrate up to 30mm of armor
The 155mm guns will penetrate up to 26mm of armor 

Torpedoes
180 degree turn time = 6.0 seconds
Reload time = 150 seconds
Max range = 20.0 km
Max damage = 20,967 points of damage
Speed = 62 knots
Detectability = 2.5 km

Feel free to ask questions.  If I don't have the answer, someone else might.  🙂 

Ouchie, that 8.8km is going to be tough, but that may be a good perk to prevent me from bum rush the AI in searching for the opportunity to use the secondary and die early (I have seen too many Schlieffen did that the last two days).

Thanks a ton for the build though, if I decided on Iwami I would definitely use it.

15 minutes ago, 100 Krakens said:

Iwami, build for main guns & survivalbility, use torps a lot. 
Or just get Pommern or Illinois 🙂

Oh yeah, about Pommern, I already have Brandenburg so I did not really consider her. And I probably never get Illinois because it already took me a better half of a year to get a single line done due to limited play time, and I am too poor to convert all those ship experience to skip them.😢

[100 Krakens]

1 minute ago, RomaThePastaBote said:

Oh yeah, about Pommern, I already have Brandenburg so I did not really consider her.

Brandenburg performs quite well in ops (with a full secondaries build of course). However Pommern lets you earn even more because she's Tier IX. 

[100 Krakens]

18 minutes ago, Wolfswetpaws said:

Illinois guns reload fast, but don't hit as hard per projectile.

Well you can't have everything rite? 🙂

[RomaThePastaBote]

4 minutes ago, 100 Krakens said:

Brandenburg performs quite well in ops (with a full secondaries build of course). However Pommern lets you earn even more because she's Tier IX. 

Oh she earned her fair share for sure, the pair (Brad, Pom) is actually another Azu/Yoshi dilemma to me, being too similar, I will eventually pretty them one day in the far future though. But as of now, I sort of want something a tad different to look at. I am actually more of an aesthetic player more than meta lol.

[Wolfswetpaws]

15 minutes ago, 100 Krakens said:

Well you can't have everything rite? 🙂

True.
But, occasionally there are missions to get XXXX number of main-gun hits which are restricted to Battleships.
That's when the Illinois gets a chance to shine, in my opinion.  🙂 

[Wolfswetpaws]

10 minutes ago, RomaThePastaBote said:

Oh she earned her fair share for sure, the pair (Brad, Pom) is actually another Azu/Yoshi dilemma to me, being too similar, I will eventually pretty them one day in the far future though. But as of now, I sort of want something a tad different to look at. I am actually more of an aesthetic player more than meta lol.

Could be "just me".   But, I prefer the my Brandenburg-B over my Pommern.

The Pommern is like a bigger version of the Scharnhorst, with the Odin being the "middle child" between them.
Like the Scharnhorst, the Pommern is versatile, but struggles to turn quickly and in tight spaces.
Seems like a hull-design philosophy choice, to gain top-speed at the expense of maneuvering, to me.
No big deal.  Just an observation.

By the way.  I just sailed my Iwami in Scenario Operation Hermes.
20240913_131540_PJSB529-Iwami_s09_LePVE.wowsreplay

[RomaThePastaBote]

12 minutes ago, Wolfswetpaws said:

Could be "just me".   But, I prefer the my Brandenburg-B over my Pommern.

The Pommern is like a bigger version of the Scharnhorst, with the Odin being the "middle child" between them.
Like the Scharnhorst, the Pommern is versatile, but struggles to turn quickly and in tight spaces.
Seems like a hull-design philosophy choice, to gain top-speed at the expense of maneuvering, to me.
No big deal.  Just an observation.

By the way.  I just sailed my Iwami in Scenario Operation Hermes.
20240913_131540_PJSB529-Iwami_s09_LePVE.wowsreplay

Total agree on the B ship, really love the look of matte black and silver barrel that credit black camo can never replicate, all rusty unfortunately. Oh well, if the credit camo is nice no one probably buy the B ship lol.

Thank you kindly for replay, I will save it for tomorrow when I sign in to look over the stats of the three again

[Wolfswetpaws]

18 minutes ago, RomaThePastaBote said:

Total agree on the B ship, really love the look of matte black and silver barrel that credit black camo can never replicate, all rusty unfortunately. Oh well, if the credit camo is nice no one probably buy the B ship lol.

Thank you kindly for replay, I will save it for tomorrow when I sign in to look over the stats of the three again

You're welcome.
I just finished another, in Raptor Rescue.
It was interesting because we had multiple DD's on our team.  But I was pleasantly impressed with how the team pulled-together for the win.  🙂 
20240913_135306_PJSB529-Iwami_s03_Labyrinth.wowsreplay
 

[BOBTHEBALL]

9 hours ago, RomaThePastaBote said:

I finally decided to hop back to the game after hearing the new 9-10 Ops has finally dropped. Then I realised that I had already traded my Dalian for Sandy. Now I kind of need something to fill in the credit maker role. I left Azuma out because I already have Yoshino, and think that they are too similar to warrant a purchase.

I would say if I have to choose one of those three. It would be 100% Iwami. You have guns that aren't actually that bad at all, torpedos which smash and you're a BB which means ok survivability. Agir will die quickly while not doing much damage in return and Gronigen (Or gun DDs in general) imo aren't the best of the best in these new tier 9 - 10 OPs. This is what the build I would run on Iwami. (It looks really weird because this is an OPs exclusive build)

 

[RomaThePastaBote]

4 hours ago, BOBTHEBALL said:

I would say if I have to choose one of those three. It would be 100% Iwami. You have guns that aren't actually that bad at all, torpedos which smash and you're a BB which means ok survivability. Agir will die quickly while not doing much damage in return and Gronigen (Or gun DDs in general) imo aren't the best of the best in these new tier 9 - 10 OPs. This is what the build I would run on Iwami. (It looks really weird because this is an OPs exclusive build)

 

Would it be alright, if I get IFHE for the second skill? I think Ops tempo goes kinda fast for fire damage to rack up. And I do not think it is weird at all, all my builds except destroyers are full lighthouse set lol even Minotaur. I also do not have Yamamoto, I hope this would not matter much.

 

12 hours ago, Wolfswetpaws said:

You're welcome.
I just finished another, in Raptor Rescue.
It was interesting because we had multiple DD's on our team.  But I was pleasantly impressed with how the team pulled-together for the win.  🙂 
20240913_135306_PJSB529-Iwami_s03_Labyrinth.wowsreplay
 

Just watched the replays, the secondary is surprisingly accurate despite not having SBM1

Edited September 14 by RomaThePastaBote

[BOBTHEBALL]

8 minutes ago, RomaThePastaBote said:

Would it be alright, if I get IFHE for the second skill? I think Ops tempo goes kinda fast for fire damage to rack up. And I do not think it is weird at all, all my builds except destroyers are full lighthouse set lol even Minotaur. I also do not have Yamamoto, I hope this would not matter much.

Yeah that's fine and Yamamoto isn't required.

[RomaThePastaBote]

33 minutes ago, BOBTHEBALL said:

Yeah that's fine and Yamamoto isn't required.

That is a relief, shame that campaigne task require to be done in Random, and ever since subs hit live I have permanently retired from that mode, still play the occasion limited like airship once in a good while. Anyhow, thank you all kindly for the recommendation and skill build👑 I am off to get Iwami right now.

[Taylor3006]

1 hour ago, RomaThePastaBote said:

That is a relief, shame that campaigne task require to be done in Random, and ever since subs hit live I have permanently retired from that mode, still play the occasion limited like airship once in a good while. Anyhow, thank you all kindly for the recommendation and skill build👑 I am off to get Iwami right now.

I had quit PvP by the time the Yamamoto campaign came out, however I wanted him. What I did was just farm the easiest missions over and over in order to obtain him. It only took a month or so and was not that bad. I just stayed focused on the mission. I did not care about winning or losing, just stayed on mission. If I needed to start fires on a BB, I ignored everything else and just shot HE at BBs (as an example). 

The strategy worked out well. I always played a cruiser since no one really cares what you do and they kind of expect you to die. It also really helps if you don't care about things like win rate or stats (which I don't). 

[RomaThePastaBote]

2 minutes ago, Taylor3006 said:

I had quit PvP by the time the Yamamoto campaign came out, however I wanted him. What I did was just farm the easiest missions over and over in order to obtain him. It only took a month or so and was not that bad. I just stayed focused on the mission. I did not care about winning or losing, just stayed on mission. If I needed to start fires on a BB, I ignored everything else and just shot HE at BBs (as an example). 

The strategy worked out well. I always played a cruiser since no one really cares what you do and they kind of expect you to die. It also really helps if you don't care about things like win rate or stats (which I don't). 

I genuinely do not know that you can repeat mission for star... this is a massive news so thank you a lot, I will try to weather through and get him

[Taylor3006]

1 hour ago, RomaThePastaBote said:

I genuinely do not know that you can repeat mission for star... this is a massive news so thank you a lot, I will try to weather through and get him

It really is the easiest way to finish the campaign IMHO. Repeating the stars means you will only collect the rewards just once but who cares, you get your captain! 

[Wolfswetpaws]

4 hours ago, RomaThePastaBote said:

Just watched the replays, the secondary is surprisingly accurate despite not having SBM1

🙂👍

[Wolfswetpaws]

3 hours ago, RomaThePastaBote said:

Anyhow, thank you all kindly for the recommendation and skill build👑 I am off to get Iwami right now.

🙂👍
 

1 hour ago, RomaThePastaBote said:

I genuinely do not know that you can repeat mission for star... this is a massive news so thank you a lot, I will try to weather through and get him

It took me a while to learn that tid-bit of information, too.  I'm glad you and @Taylor3006 and @BOBTHEBALL brought it into the conversation.
My Admiral Yamamoto from the Campaign is the Captain of my Shikishima.
My Admiral Yamamoto (the cat) from the High School Fleet collaboration is the Captain of my IX Yūgumo.
Good luck in your campaign endeavor.  🙂 

[Wolfswetpaws]

7 minutes ago, Taylor3006 said:

It really is the easiest way to finish the campaign IMHO. Repeating the stars means you will only collect the rewards just once but who cares, you get your captain! 

Exactly.
The other campaign missions can be done afterwards, at my convenience, to earn the rewards and get satisfaction from completing them.  🙂