New T10 Pan American BB Libertad (secondary monster)

[OldSchoolGaming_Youtube]

Seems pretty interesting... 15 km Monster secondaries with CI.

Potato Quality:

This 250 K match was apparently a nerfed version of the ship, it will be buffed when released..... PQ: "I really don't like then new ships gets balance changes that doesn't get tested before release"

Overlord Bou:

 

Wonder why they release them un-balanced and un-tested ....... 

 

Edited September 2 by OldSchoolGaming_Youtube

[Daniel_Allan_Clark]

Balance?

Testing?

That isn't what WG does.

😉

[Ensign Cthulhu]

33 minutes ago, OldSchoolGaming_Youtube said:

Wonder why they release them un-balanced and un-tested ...

While PQ hypes up the secondary power of the T10 as much as he possibly can. You could almost hear the drooling and the power rush. 

You can't do that and then wonder why impatient people are going to slap doubloons on the table, convinced that this is going to be the New Big Thing to carry them to victory - which it won't necessarily do unless they're good enough driving it. 

Of course, a few months later, every hombre and his llama is going to have one and the early adopters will be in the same position but a few tens of thousands of dubs the poorer. That won't matter to the monetized streamers who grabbed it early for their content, since their audience is paying for all this (and they can probably even write it off as an expense against their earnings at tax time) and they understand (and are sympathetic to) business models.

The impatient ones who had unreasonable expectations of it being an unstoppable death machine just because they saw someone like PQ wreak havoc in it are another matter; their wailing and gnashing of teeth will be heard from one end of Reddit to the other, and it will be nobody's fault but their own.

 

[OldSchoolGaming_Youtube]

3 hours ago, Ensign Cthulhu said:

While PQ hypes up the secondary power of the T10 as much as he possibly can. You could almost hear the drooling and the power rush. 

You can't do that and then wonder why impatient people are going to slap doubloons on the table, convinced that this is going to be the New Big Thing to carry them to victory - which it won't necessarily do unless they're good enough driving it. 

Of course, a few months later, every hombre and his llama is going to have one and the early adopters will be in the same position but a few tens of thousands of dubs the poorer. That won't matter to the monetized streamers who grabbed it early for their content, since their audience is paying for all this (and they can probably even write it off as an expense against their earnings at tax time) and they understand (and are sympathetic to) business models.

The impatient ones who had unreasonable expectations of it being an unstoppable death machine just because they saw someone like PQ wreak havoc in it are another matter; their wailing and gnashing of teeth will be heard from one end of Reddit to the other, and it will be nobody's fault but their own.

 

I think I might have misunderstand you're post.

 

 

Edited September 2 by OldSchoolGaming_Youtube

[Ensign Cthulhu]

4 minutes ago, OldSchoolGaming_Youtube said:

First off, I dont think CC´s has to pay to get these things early, so no write off is necessary.

There are content creators who aren't official CCs, either because they aren't yet in or because they left for whatever reason. 

Also, you might want to check with one of them as to what they get, i.e. whether they receive tech-tree ships in early release (as opposed to this post-NDA phase before early release) or just doubloon premiums. My gut tells me it's only the latter.

[OldSchoolGaming_Youtube]

26 minutes ago, Ensign Cthulhu said:

There are content creators who aren't official CCs, either because they aren't yet in or because they left for whatever reason. 

Also, you might want to check with one of them as to what they get, i.e. whether they receive tech-tree ships in early release (as opposed to this post-NDA phase before early release) or just doubloon premiums. My gut tells me it's only the latter.

I mean I am technically a "Content creator" since I have over 200 videos of WoW on my YT channel, so if we talk people like me, I know we get Jack sheeeit from WG for "boosting" their game on YT. But the rest who are official WG CCs I think get all the new ships, tons of doubloons, credits, access to all legendary captains etc etc for free.

Other big streamers like Flamu and Flambass joined the big CC walkout some years ago now and they dont have shit from WG, only the ships they earned by playing the game.

 

Edited September 2 by OldSchoolGaming_Youtube

[AdmiralThunder]

6 hours ago, OldSchoolGaming_Youtube said:

Seems pretty interesting... 15 km Monster secondaries with CI.

Potato Quality:

This 250 K match was apparently a nerfed version of the ship, it will be buffed when released..... PQ: "I really don't like then new ships gets balance changes that doesn't get tested before release"

Overlord Bou:

 

 

 

Edited September 2 by AdmiralThunder

[Pugilistic]

[Pugilistic]

8 hours ago, Ensign Cthulhu said:

There are content creators who aren't official CCs, either because they aren't yet in or because they left for whatever reason. 

Also, you might want to check with one of them as to what they get, i.e. whether they receive tech-tree ships in early release (as opposed to this post-NDA phase before early release) or just doubloon premiums. My gut tells me it's only the latter.

I dont watch enough YT to know, but I think there were some streamers/Youtubers who got the same stuff as the CCs without formal agreement (press accounts?)

 

[Yedwy]

17 hours ago, OldSchoolGaming_Youtube said:

Wonder why they release them un-balanced and un-tested ....... 

Well what is it nowadays to get the T10 in EA? Some 200€? for stuff you can nerf the day EA runs out for "overperforming" ez moneh for WG

[ReDiR20]

Seems to be a decent secondaries focused BBs, but certainly with a lot of downsides compared to German BC: no hydro or short DC, poor overmatch  on T8 and T9, no torps and worse secondaries. Of course, they get a lot of other advantages to make it even, but overall looks to be as strong as German BC line. 

[Yedwy]

1 minute ago, ReDiR20 said:

Seems to be a decent secondaries focused BBs, but certainly with a lot of downsides compared to German BC: no hydro or short DC, poor overmatch  on T8 and T9, no torps and worse secondaries. Of course, they get a lot of other advantages to make it even, but overall looks to be as strong as German BC line. 

Bro? 15km sec bro? Thats like Hannover range?

[ReDiR20]

12 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Bro? 15km sec bro? Thats like Hannover range?

For a short time and only with legendary commander. Not a big deal

 

edit: looks like it's not only for leg commander. However, 30 s. duration won't do much either way

Edited September 3 by ReDiR20

[Schnitchelkid01_]

PQ was the same guy that said that the Wisky (my favorite ship right now) was trash so... Yeah, I will hold my judgement for the new BB's when I unlock them AFTER early access

[Yedwy]

1 hour ago, ReDiR20 said:

For a short time and only with legendary commander. Not a big deal

 

edit: looks like it's not only for leg commander. However, 30 s. duration won't do much either way

So are Hannover s secs, her base is like 12.5 or something like that IIRC

[Daniel_Allan_Clark]

2 hours ago, Yedwy said:

Well what is it nowadays to get the T10 in EA? Some 200€? for stuff you can nerf the day EA runs out for "overperforming" ez moneh for WG

Good old bait and switch...a WG staple marketing technique.

[ReDiR20]

58 minutes ago, Schnitchelkid01_ said:

PQ was the same guy that said that the Wisky (my favorite ship right now) was trash so... Yeah, I will hold my judgement for the new BB's when I unlock them AFTER early access

This. He rarely understand which ship is actually strong. Or just makes reviews too soon without properly playing them.

Current T10 BB ranking is very clear :

1) Rhode Island

2) Wisconsin

3) St. Vincent

I highly doubt that Libertad will make to top 3, but it could be in top 5 after recent buffs.

[Ensign Cthulhu]

3 hours ago, Schnitchelkid01_ said:

PQ was the same guy that said that the Wisky (my favorite ship right now) was trash so... Yeah, I will hold my judgement for the new BB's when I unlock them AFTER early access

PQ has an unfortunate habit of flipping with the wind. He'll go all-in on a ship and it will be like Viagra to him; then a week later he'll tell you the magic is gone, only for him to rediscover love a couple of weeks later. 

2 hours ago, ReDiR20 said:

He rarely understand which ship is actually strong. Or just makes reviews too soon without properly playing them.

I tend to lean to the latter. He wants to be "first in print", but it means that he cuts corners and does sloppy work, which he has to retract or qualify later. Too bad for you if you bought a suboptimal ship when he was in his OMG I LOVE HER SO MUCH phase, which is why I like to see ships played live on-stream or by multiple YouTubers before I commit resources. (Twitch has the advantage that the reviewer can't cherry-pick; YT has the advantage that the battle is already fought, so the reviewer can talk more about the ship, the build, etc., without having to fret about what's going on in the battle.)

If you want to understand PQ, have no fear; he provided all and sundry with a window into his soul. You need only watch this: 

 

3 hours ago, Schnitchelkid01_ said:

Yeah, I will hold my judgement for the new BB's when I unlock them AFTER early access

The T8 is free at the end of the unpaid track, so that one's a gimme. Assuming comparable research costs to other BB lines, the T9 will be 180,000 XP to unlock, which is less than 7000 a day over the second patch of early access if you want to pace yourself out (remember, the early access ships come with all their modules and B hull researched). If you've already done the Pan-Am cruiser line and you have a commander with skill points in the teens or maybe even higher, you can use him to grind out the T9 in the early access phase without retraining then put him back in his cruiser when you are done. Otherwise cross your fingers that you finish the collection for the new Pan-Am commander, Lisboa, and use him instead.

I know people who have enough ECXP to bump Lisboa up to 21 the instant they get him, and then to shift him from ship to ship as they grind them. I don't, so I'll be putting him in the T8 as soon as I have both and working him up slowly. (I have other priorities for the rest of this year.)

 

Edited September 3 by Ensign Cthulhu

[Aethervox]

I have no interest in any of the current or new T10 barf gimmick ships. War Failing lost me, as a paying customer, some years ago 😁.

[Col_NASTY]

15KM Secondaries AND Huge Cal of them.

Just what every DD main wants to hear.

Secondaires that will MELT you even before you can even get CLOSE enough for torp range in Many DDs.

Easy kills...Spot DD with a Sub or CV or any of the Pseudo CVs, they released that can permaspot you not to mention Radars.

Each of the new gimmicks WG has been adding lately almost seem to be to directly disarm DDs.

[OldSchoolGaming_Youtube]

11 hours ago, Col_NASTY said:

15KM Secondaries AND Huge Cal of them.

Just what every DD main wants to hear.

Secondaires that will MELT you even before you can even get CLOSE enough for torp range in Many DDs.

Easy kills...Spot DD with a Sub or CV or any of the Pseudo CVs, they released that can permaspot you not to mention Radars.

Each of the new gimmicks WG has been adding lately almost seem to be to directly disarm DDs.

I have been preaching this for years, unfortunately its not even limited to all the new gimmicks and new classes (such as Subs and Hybrid BBs), but also game modes where the objective is pretty much 1000% down to only DDs to perform (grabbing caps/buffs, push Airships etc etc).

There is no wonder why 80-90% of the DDs usually are dead at the 5 min mark and the team with its DD still left alive is usually the winning team.

Also no wonder why I went from being a DD Main to play more Subs these days, that can do the same as DDs but with zero risks..... and with 2500 Base XP and top 3 on team guaranteed.

 

Im not familiar with Hannover that some have mentioned in the thread but as far as I could understand its seems like the caliber, pen and damage of the secondary's (as well as the situational 15 km range) that would make this a secondary Beast.

Edited September 4 by OldSchoolGaming_Youtube

[OldSchoolGaming_Youtube]

On 9/3/2024 at 11:52 AM, Schnitchelkid01_ said:

PQ was the same guy that said that the Wisky (my favorite ship right now) was trash so... Yeah, I will hold my judgement for the new BB's when I unlock them AFTER early access

 

On 9/3/2024 at 12:58 PM, ReDiR20 said:

This. He rarely understand which ship is actually strong. Or just makes reviews too soon without properly playing them.

Current T10 BB ranking is very clear :

1) Rhode Island

2) Wisconsin

3) St. Vincent

I highly doubt that Libertad will make to top 3, but it could be in top 5 after recent buffs.

Yup, tbh I mostly watch his videos to see new ships early, since hes one of those who push out content very fast (many times to his downfall). They are also usually good for watching what stats different builds will grant you, if you can't find them yet on WOWs builds.

I know hes either part of or have been part of some decent clan (07?), but his choice of playstyle and his opinions on certain ships like Wisconcin, Cassard etc, as he also been called out on, makes it hard to take his opinions and take on ships seriously.

[Ensign Cthulhu]

8 hours ago, Col_NASTY said:

15KM Secondaries AND Huge Cal of them.

Just what every DD main wants to hear.

Secondaires that will MELT you even before you can even get CLOSE enough for torp range in Many DDs.

Before you can be shot at, you have to be seen. 

[cheapinkc]

On 9/3/2024 at 6:08 AM, Yedwy said:

So are Hannover s secs, her base is like 12.5 or something like that IIRC

This is wrong.  Hannover has an 8.3 base.  Her max secondary range is the same as any other high tier German bb.

[ReDiR20]

43 minutes ago, Ensign Cthulhu said:

Before you can be shot at, you have to be seen. 

This. Torpedo focused dds will a lot fun against these brawlers without hydro.