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Most often given and IMO totally useless in CO-Op, the anti-detonation flag - I have over 2,400 of them.

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Remind me, can these things be sold?

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Oh, I've been detonated quite a few times in co-op. Conveniently as I was just about to get a massive, lethal torpedo salvo into the water.

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Detonation flags are useless only if you main CVs (?and Submarines?)

Weird that given how allergic they were to incoming damage, what with the multiple million liters of Avgas, upto 50 torpedoes and hundreds of bombs onboard ontop of ammunition for weapons and AA guns...

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I love signals I’m a junkie now. I mount 8 on every ship every game. But I don’t play coop except to finish a mission sometimes. I have almost a billion credits don’t play or buy  superships so I buy signals when I run out. 

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Wg needs to put in a player auction house so players can sell their unwanted wares to other players.

Yeah yeah, spare me the not in WG money making interests posts.

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Why would you keep that many? 

I keep 10 at a time, sell the rest.

Most I have of anything is almost 200 smoke flags since the only smoke ships I normally play are Italian, but they are worth keeping instead of selling off. 

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1 hour ago, Admiral_Karasu said:

Remind me, can these things be sold?

Yes at 6000 credits each.

 

2 hours ago, Musket22 said:

Most often given and IMO totally useless in CO-Op, the anti-detonation flag - I have over 2,400 of them.

Juliet Charlie signals are very useful on destroyers and light cruisers.  I mount them primarily on these vessels in co-op, occasionally I'll mount them on CAs for operations.

 

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When I play Naval Battles randoms I mount anti-det on destroyers. I thought about it for BBs because sometimes a torpedo tickles the right spot. I had a Grom send me a couple spreads in Brawls and I dodged all of them except for one single solitary torp and it did 41k damage and finished me off. Getting stars means surviving and doing damage and I need not get detonated.

I added up the cost of 8 signals one time and was shocked. Over 1m in credit value that you will never get back in a match. [Granted some people mount super bonuses and could actually recoup this cost per battle sort of.]

There is a time and a place outside of pve. I do not run them in brawls but every now and again I look and some people run a few to the max and I just don't see the point for such a quick match.

I keep as many anti-det, smoke, and speed as possible [6-7oo]and the rest I keep about 15o-2oo just in case. I use the coupons for credits which is like once a month I think. 

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The coal cost for signals is much more reasonable than that for credits.  And the monthly coupons help too.

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16 minutes ago, thornzero said:

I added up the cost of 8 signals one time and was shocked. Over 1m in credit value that you will never get back in a match. [Granted some people mount super bonuses and could actually recoup this cost per battle sort of.]

For me, anti-det, heal enhancement and damage mitigation are mandatory when carrying blue or red boosters. I play randoms infrequently enough that I have more than enough to last me for a long time in this context.

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I don't sell signals and I rarely buy any.  There is a group of signals useful for battleships that I always run out of and so I have to demount them on every battleship and debate if it's worth mounting the one that I might have.  I really can't tell if the detonation signals help or not.

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I run 8 full flags in randoms and still make credits every match. I know co-op don’t make hardly any credits even with an outstanding game, but why would you run any flags in co-op?

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On 8/19/2024 at 11:37 AM, Musket22 said:

I have over 2,400 of them.

Sell them if you don't want them.

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4 hours ago, Type_93 said:

 why would you run any flags in co-op?

Co-op is a race with the other players to sink ships.  Signals that allow you to increase damage through fire/flood (Victor Lima, India X-Ray, Juliet Whiskey Unalone) help.   Secondary signal (Mike Yankee Soxisix) would be useful for secondary builds.  Sierra Mike (speed) might help you to get to the red bots faster than the other guy.

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I save det flags for when I'm stacking consumable bonuses I can't afford to waste on the whims of RNG. They're far from useless- they're insurance against the pointless loss of red and blue boosters.

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6 hours ago, ArIskandir said:

One man's garbage is another man's treasure... 

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Jake says thanks!

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why people call signals the wrong way as flags, flags are diffrent thing in this game

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6 hours ago, HamptonRoads said:

Co-op is a race with the other players to sink ships.  Signals that allow you to increase damage through fire/flood (Victor Lima, India X-Ray, Juliet Whiskey Unalone) help.   Secondary signal (Mike Yankee Soxisix) would be useful for secondary builds.  Sierra Mike (speed) might help you to get to the red bots faster than the other guy.

Not sure I find the fire/flood worth the cost more of the time for Co-op, different story for operations. For floods, most of the time I am looking for my torps to kill a target outright not hoping tick damage will finish them, especially since unless their Damage control was tripped recently they just fix the flood immediately. Subs and CVs however might have some use of them. Fires suffer from the damage control issue, you want to burn a bot BB you have to set a fire, wait 30 seconds then try to set more, the extra couple of percent fire chance can help but usually not leaning on fire damage much outside of a couple ships in co-op.

Secondary I find more arguably useful since many BBs could use all the help they can get and the range boost would allow them to reach out and hurt the bots quicker. This might also be a good time for those fire signals. Though still not sure the cost to benefit ratio stacks up here. Mileage may vary by ship of course, Bismarck and co. being ones I most likely would toss it on.

Speed is probably the one I find the most beneficial in co-op, since time to engagement is pretty much everything in this mode, more speed is universally good. 

All that said whatever floats your ship. 

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I fly flags in random battles.  I will sometimes fly them in ops.  I don't have enough of them to fly them in coop.  The same applies to economic/xp bonuses.

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I only have the hydro and smoke flags in excess (and flooding flags but much less). Everything else in such short supply that I no longer run signals anywhere but cb. 

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I havent detonated in a Random, Ranked, or Clan battle since about 2017. My last det was in 2022, probably in an operation. Juliet Charlie is your friend. 

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Juliet Charlie is useful when you're going "competitive" (Ranked, Clan Battles) or trying to grind/farm fast (boosters and/or Operations). For casual gameplay there's no actual need, although there are times when you think to yourself "this match would've gone way different if a certain someone -i.e. me most of the time- hadn't detonated". Still, an average rate of a detonation every couple of weeks isn't much of a hassle, and I don't use MM1 on any ship.

I remember reading somewhere, though, that detonations seem not to be purely random but have some kind of cumulative behaviour: each die roll where you should've blown to pieces and didn't because of JC increases your chance towards the next roll, thus detonating way more often after a long streak of using the signal. It was just anecdotal evidence from the player that wrote about it, but it coincided with my own gut feeling after playing exclusively Ranked (hence JC every single match) for nearly a month.

Salute.

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54 minutes ago, Estaca_de_Bares said:

I remember reading somewhere, though, that detonations seem not to be purely random but have some kind of cumulative behaviour: each die roll where you should've blown to pieces and didn't because of JC increases your chance towards the next roll, thus detonating way more often after a long streak of using the signal. It was just anecdotal evidence from the player that wrote about it, but it coincided with my own gut feeling after playing exclusively Ranked (hence JC every single match) for nearly a month.

Salute.

Anecdotal evidence is valuable data.  It is subject to bias and the Placebo effect but often reveals a path to research and corroborative data.  I never dismiss my 'gut feeling'.  Most often it's your brain telling you important information.  

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