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How do you feel about them ? I hate it. Everytime it comes around, it feels for me like a big " F you dear coop player" coming from WG. Even for 500 bxp you need to work your stern off usually in coop, 600 is much harder.

 

Can a mod move this to the PVE section please ?

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It's fine by me.

I do the first rounds in co-op because it's efficient...then I do the rest in randoms because that's where I usually play.

I have a lot of ships to use as well, so I may not even finish the co-op portion.

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I dislike them because for me, there are sort of "periods" where maybe a few specific ships interest me and I don't play many other ships beyond them. For example, most recently, I've been grinding Italian BBs and playing a lot of British BBs (rangemod Conq CV sniping,) so both of those bars are significantly higher than other bars, many of which are practically untouched even though I have ships to complete all the bars with. 

I prefer the more linear combat mission approach that previous EA events had. 

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1 hour ago, KJ82 said:

How do you feel about them ? I hate it. Everytime it comes around, it feels for me like a big " F you dear coop player" coming from WG. Even for 500 bxp you need to work your stern off usually in coop, 600 is much harder.

 

Can a mod move this to the PVE section please ?

At least we have the option to do stuff in Co-op these days (and with enough effort usually finish). When I started 99.9% of stuff was PVP only.  We worked hard on NA forums to get Co-op included too. So I am more or less ok with it as long as it is “possible” in Co-op with reasonable effort.

As to PC’s specifically they are ok. Not my fav but not the worst. I don’t care for this one. The BXP levels aren’t bad even for Co-op but you only get 10 tokens per level which means a lot more games need to max out. 

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did the first tier (300 BXP) in co-op, and then switched to ops for the 600+.

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34 minutes ago, AdmiralThunder said:

At least we have the option to do stuff in Co-op these days (and with enough effort usually finish). When I started 99.9% of stuff was PVP only.  We worked hard on NA forums to get Co-op included too. So I am more or less ok with it as long as it is “possible” in Co-op with reasonable effort.

 

I remember those times, and i had no problem doing stuff in PVP....then something happened in 2019. Went to PVE after that. I appriciate the effort for making missions doable in PVE.

 

However, i dont call 600+ BXP reasonable in Coop. Maybe you guys in NA get more matches without a full human team, but on EU, its usually happens only in the middle of the night, not during daytime.

 

 

15 minutes ago, HamptonRoads said:

did the first tier (300 BXP) in co-op, and then switched to ops for the 600+.

I probably gonna do that, or Mode Shuffle. At least its not tracked, i wont wreck anyones WR there.

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2 hours ago, KJ82 said:

Can a mod move this to the PVE section please ?

Yup - can do!

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1 hour ago, KJ82 said:

However, i dont call 600+ BXP reasonable in Coop.

600 is still pretty reasonable for Co-op. Not easy but not that hard. It is when you hit 800-1000+ that it becomes unreasonable and you need mostly bot teams and such. I have had quite a few 600-700 BXP games so far while doing the 300's. 

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We only need to achieve 50 PC's to max out the 500 tokens. This means that you only have to do the 300 on half and the 600 on the other half if you have a varied fleet in your port. Events like this are why it's good to have ships for every nation and class in the game.

This applies equally for doing the weekly naval battles, allowing you to maximise your potential.

Not having a full fleet to select from means you have to work much harder to achieve the same goal. There's a saying, Work smarter, not harder

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I admit that it's possible to get the 600 in COOP, there's no question about that ... although you really need a poor team or high green bot count to facilitate getting it.

Although doing it in a slow DD is a <expletive deleted> nightmare. facepalmsmiley.gif.dc696cfbf23e3f4aab9dce896eba2993.gif

But the next level is 1200, and that's just ridiculous in COOP.

If it was for something other than early access I might get ticked off, but getting early access to anything is just a perk so I'm not that fussed.

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17 hours ago, SunkCostFallacy said:

I admit that it's possible to get the 600 in COOP, there's no question about that ... although you really need a poor team or high green bot count to facilitate getting it.

Although doing it in a slow DD is a <expletive deleted> nightmare. facepalmsmiley.gif.dc696cfbf23e3f4aab9dce896eba2993.gif

But the next level is 1200, and that's just ridiculous in COOP.

If it was for something other than early access I might get ticked off, but getting early access to anything is just a perk so I'm not that fussed.

Yeah 1200 is unreasonable for Co-op. I have 44K+ games in the mode and have broken 1200 BXP there like maybe 15 +/- times. Honestly, 1200 isn’t a given for PVP as you get more losses there which impacts XP unlike credits.

With that said, as long as you have a decent fleet you can max out on the 300’s and 600’s in Co-op. At least the first two bars are reasonable for the mode.

Newer players and those with small fleets will suffer more certainly.

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  • 44,637 Co-op games played
  • 16 1200+ BXP games: (note these are actual BXP #'s and NOT inflated #'s due to Premium Time)
    • 1711
    • 1427
    • 1395
    • 1287
    • 1279 (2X)
    • 1274
    • 1244
    • 1242
    • 1238
    • 1236
    • 1219
    • 1216
    • 1209
    • 1205
    • 1203

So 1200+ is definitely unreasonable for Co-op (1200 isn't even a given in PVP as said ^). 800-1000 is unreasonable for Co-op as those are not obtainable without a lot of factors beyond your control and play. However, the 1st 2 levels at 300 and 600 are not unreasonable for the mode. I don't expect WG to make every level Co-op doable.

The truth is PVP is the main mode of the game and thus their focus is on us playing there. As long as we have a path to do things in Co-op, if we choose, with "reasonable effort" I am fine with it even if I have to work a bit for say 600 BXP. 600 is not impossible even with all human teams so I find it reasonable. Something like earn 1000 BXP in a single game IS unreasonable. I remember back to the year we could earn that special camo for Prinz Eitel Friedrich around Christmas time. It took me like 290-300 games to do it and that is NOT reasonable. I earned Halsey in Co-op for not many more games.

So, we can't, and shouldn't, expect every single level to be reasonable for Co-op but if enough of them are, that we can max out on the rewards with enough games and reasonable effort, that is good enough for me and I consider it fair for what WG considers an alternate mode.

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Just had this Co-op. All humans and 700 BXP. Had many similar while doing the 300's.

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On 7/12/2024 at 4:01 PM, KJ82 said:

How do you feel about them ? I hate it. Everytime it comes around, it feels for me like a big " F you dear coop player" coming from WG. Even for 500 bxp you need to work your stern off usually in coop, 600 is much harder.

All coop for the 300 requirement.  Got one "600" during Naval Battle in coop with Minotaur (fortunately had the 300 already).  The rest of the 600s come from Operations.  So it's definitely do-able in PvE.  These were all 1 shots with the "right" boats in both Co-op and Operations with one exception on Carrier Kaga B.

Whats a "right" boat?

Fast (speed)... Fast firing or massive secondaries... preferably premiums (some good secondaries for TT ships that are originally marginal)... preferably with a heal for Operations.

You need excellent chart coverage with your fleet...

Anomolies...

CV's: I believe it took 2 shots for the Japanese carrier at the 300 in coop.  I don't play carriers generally unless it's a x2 in naval battles and either Russian or German with decent secondaries.  I haven't worked up any carrier lines except USA, so those co-op 300s are all premiums from crates Kaga B, Hornet, Chkalov B, Graf Zepplin B, Indominable.  My strategy is to run into a cap (getting included in a cap is critical to a 300 coop game) and use the attack I do best for that boat to run up as much as possible.  I also am careful to make sure I use my patrol fighters to get kills.  I'm not a cv guy, so this is my best shot at making carriers work.  This time it did... I rarely can get a good game in co-op with a cv if it is the "wrong" battle type or if I miss the cap.

Subs:  I suck and hate them... somehow I got 300 in the English sub Alliance by landing 4 homing torps... there is no reason except WG grace (bias) for that to have earned 300 bxp.... less than 15k damage because I missed the x2 bonus on Naval Battle (the ONLY reason I tried), but got the 300 bxp game in coop without a cap or kill bonus... SUCK!  😄

In general, I LIKE the personal challenge missions since they are very similar to Naval Battles for which I've been preparing my fleet and doing well.

In Operations, there have been no misses of the 600 bxp requirement and I don't think I've been under 1000 bxp (usually 1200-1400) with the high so far at 1600+ (on the chart below) I have 5 more Cruisers to run in Operations and I'll cap the challenge missions.

Just play the chart!  Don't go for massive scores, instead build your fleet and look for the boats that will work in PvE and cover the chart... whether you're doing Personal Challenge missions or Naval Battles (which are only Co-op for me)...

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For this episode of Personal Challenges, I've been playing the 600 and up requirement in Mode Shuffle to test a few builds. I'll go to Operations starting Monday to move the counter up. 

I don't see any significant problem at all because Operations is PVE and with a little bit effort (not that much compared to Co-op, to be honest), anyone can easily get 1200 and up.

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Air was blue in my house for a few minutes after a Midway game which was okay... but the BXP total was 299. 'Twas the straw and the camel's back so to speak, I went off explaining in exquisite detail into which bear's orifice I would like to stuff the aforementioned CV, CVs in general and subs too just to make sure the CVs weren't lonely.

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37 minutes ago, Efros said:

Air was blue in my house for a few minutes after a Midway game which was okay... but the BXP total was 299. 'Twas the straw and the camel's back so to speak, I went off explaining in exquisite detail into which bear's orifice I would like to stuff the aforementioned CV, CVs in general and subs too just to make sure the CVs weren't lonely.

Easy there chief... and FWIW submarines are designed to be a menace below the surface (which could explain a lot.)

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Here's my current scoreboard. Co-op for 300 Base XP requirement, Mode Shuffle for 600 to 1200 Base XP, then back to Operations for the 1400 and up Base XP requirement. 

Exception here is the 300 Base XP for battleships since I played Yamato in Convoy Escort. I am not sure if I will bring other battleships to Co-op; each round is likely to be over for me even before I get a decent damage score.

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Just need a few more to finish the 1st half. So far has been 100% Co-op.

Basically, I am following this plan with the current PC event for the new French DD's (which hold zero interest for me other than finishing to T10 as I do every line in game). 

  1. Go through and do all the 300's for every nation/class right off (except Subs...I refuse to play them...no way in hades...nope nope nope). 300 in Co-op is super easy and I did them all 1st try in 2 days. 
  2. For the 600's play nations/classes that I haven't done 600 in yet while doing the daily Battlepass 1500 BXP and/or any other missions I am doing and don't specifically try for the 600. 
  3. 1200+ = not needed and ignore. "IF" any are acquired it is a bonus.

Just need 4 more 600's to max out 1st half all in Co-op. My last game today (to finish Battlepass and then stop playing) actually did the 600 for IJN Cruisers. Had a nice 825 BXP game on an all human team (always makes it better than doing it with all bots).

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42 minutes ago, AdmiralThunder said:

Just need a few more to finish the 1st half. So far has been 100% Co-op.

Basically, I am following this plan with the current PC event for the new French DD's (which hold zero interest for me other than finishing to T10 as I do every line in game). 

  1. Go through and do all the 300's for every nation/class right off (except Subs...I refuse to play them...no way in hades...nope nope nope). 300 in Co-op is super easy and I did them all 1st try in 2 days. 
  2. For the 600's play nations/classes that I haven't done 600 in yet while doing the daily Battlepass 1500 BXP and/or any other missions I am doing and don't specifically try for the 600. 
  3. 1200+ = not needed and ignore. "IF" any are acquired it is a bonus.

Just need 4 more 600's to max out 1st half all in Co-op. My last game today (to finish Battlepass and then stop playing) actually did the 600 for IJN Cruisers. Had a nice 825 BXP game on an all human team (always makes it better than doing it with all bots).

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I'm just a little bit ahead of you and, played COOP to start and Operations for the rest.

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NO Carriers and NO subs......   For me, it's a nice clone of Naval Battles and is "something to do...."

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On 7/14/2024 at 8:37 PM, Efros said:

'Twas the straw and the camel's back so to speak, I went off explaining in exquisite detail into which bear's orifice I would like to stuff the aforementioned CV

I had, I think, FOUR games in a row in MVR that came out stupidly close to 300, to the point where I said f*** it and went to Mode Shuffle. No other carrier - not even Pobeda, which I have always struggled with - gave me any problems. (I do have other German carriers, but that one needs its improved airplanes worked up, hence the desire to persist.)

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4 hours ago, AdmiralThunder said:

500/500 all in Co-op

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I did it in Ops. Didnt wanted to stay up all night to even have a chance in Coop.

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8 minutes ago, KJ82 said:

I did it in Ops. Didnt wanted to stay up all night to even have a chance in Coop.

I did 95% of that midday on NA with all human teams.

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Honestly, got all destroyers, cruisers and battleships past 300 then didn't care.

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