Guest Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BOBTHEBALL said: Yeah she isn't a very good ship at all. Also I'd advise changing up that build. It can be improved quite a lot. i have no problems with this build it works perfectly fine for me i dont see a problem with the ship Edited May 9 by Gaelic_knight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 (edited) 12 minutes ago, BOBTHEBALL said: The tier 8, 9 and 10 can all use the same build, the only difference is in tier 10 you use the UU which buffs the airstrikes power immensely you dont need the UU for DEWITT she works fine without it . if you want to hide behind islands and catch unsuspecting ships with a tripple airstrike go a head but again the dutch cruiser line isnt all about AA or ASW they have much more to offer . you dont have to build em for AA and ASW just because lots of other players do it im not trying to critize you @BOBTHEBALL im just stating theres more to the AA and ASW that the dutch cruiser line has to offer so i personaly dont see a problem not just with harrlem i personaly dont focus on the airpower its a back up or just to catch out an unexpected ship and i have no problems Edited May 9 by Gaelic_knight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBTHEBALL Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 12 minutes ago, Gaelic_knight said: you dont need the UU for DEWITT Johan "Dewitt" is the tier 9. The tier 10 is Gouden Leeuw 13 minutes ago, Gaelic_knight said: you dont need the UU for DEWITT she works fine without it . if you want to hide behind islands and catch unsuspecting ships with a tripple airstrike go a head but again the dutch cruiser line isnt all about AA or ASW they have much more to offer They don't really offer anything else so yes they are all about the AA and airstrikes 14 minutes ago, Gaelic_knight said: im not trying to critize you @BOBTHEBALL im just stating theres more to the AA and ASW that the dutch cruiser line has to offer so i personaly dont see a problem not just with harrlem I understand that and as someone who is here to help people with the correct builds, opinions and facts the Dutch Cruisers offer great AA and airstrikes on a platform that can be considered somewhat "tanky" but that have great stealth. As for Haarlem no she isn't great, no real killing power to be afraid off and well there are so many much better tier 8 cruisers around that she isn't worth a second look. 15 minutes ago, Gaelic_knight said: i personaly dont focus on the airpower its a back up or just to catch out an unexpected ship and i have no problems Without the airpower these ships wouldn't be able to kill anything, bad accuracy and on the tier 8 and 9 their guns are quite underwhelming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBTHEBALL Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 24 minutes ago, Gaelic_knight said: i have no problems with this build it works perfectly fine for me That's good for you, I am here to provide the best builds for people requesting for my help. There are obvious problems with your build and I just pointed them out in a friendly way. 24 minutes ago, Gaelic_knight said: i dont see a problem with the ship Again good for you, just because a ship is bad doesn't mean people can't play it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBT808 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gaelic_knight said: i dont see a problem with the ship Largely the problem with Haarlem is that she has all the weaknesses of Super cruiser plus a few more for good measure. Compared to other Super cruisers, she's pretty much the worst. She combines heavy cruiser guns with super cruiser dispersion, which makes so sense(I dare anyone to try and defend this balance decision by WG). When you look at most tier VIII cruisers, she's very, very bad(I'd even go as far to say that she is objectively probably among the worst tier VIII ships period). Her gimmick is almost irrelevant to anyone with half a brain(granted, there are many people who are so clueless that you'll get a ton of damage out of them, but I'm assuming we're discussing players who know this game not the run of the mill potato). To put this further into perspective: There are tier VI cruisers that have better DPM than Haarlem. Edited May 9 by MBT808 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArIskandir Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 6 hours ago, MBT808 said: To put this further into perspective: There are tier VI cruisers that have better DPM than Haarlem. It's very simplistic to reduce Harleem's performance to poor DPM. She can Outlast many of her peers and can keep applying that poor DPM for a longer time. Endurance is also a factor, DPM is not everything (unless You are a Coop Main) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfswetpaws Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 7 hours ago, BOBTHEBALL said: 8 hours ago, Gaelic_knight said: i dont see a problem with the ship Again good for you, just because a ship is bad doesn't mean people can't play it Suddenly I'm reminded of @SoshiSone and the Tiger. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel_Allan_Clark Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 26 minutes ago, ArIskandir said: It's very simplistic to reduce Harleem's performance to poor DPM. She can Outlast many of her peers and can keep applying that poor DPM for a longer time. Endurance is also a factor, DPM is not everything (unless You are a Coop Main) True, I only really die with Haarlem when I make a misplay...like this morning, got too close to the enemy fleet while trying to air strike a DD smoke and / or the enemy cruiser behind his island as part of our push...and didn't maintain proper angle and got smacked so hard by the Colorado that I was soon back in port. The problem is that Haarlem doesn't have the range to take advantage of her tankiness...ESPECIALLY when down or bottom tiered...which has been the case for me in about 60% of my games in her (low population numbers on NA overriding the tier controls, I suspect). And even if you do find yourself in range of your main guns, the DPM is so terrible you can't work alone. My first match in Haarlem, I was in a tier 10 match as the only tier 8 ship. Our DD on our flank went and suicided in the first 2 minutes. My battleship went to hide behind an island. So I was left to try to stay alive while preventing a push by the enemy DD. I was doing fine staying alive and dodging, but the enemy Shima never let me get close enough to enemy ships to fire my guns. This went on for about 7 minutes...me angling and sailing, dodging his torps...air striking his smoke (which he dodged because he could see them coming). Eventually the Shima got bored and my team was collapsing so he pushed into me...I had him dead to rights, got a good HE salvo into him, was closing with hydro on for the kill...and was devstruck out of existence by the enemy Yamato who came around the island 10 km away. Angling doesn't matter against that kind of firepower. So, I got one HE damage salvo into a Shima...the ENTIRE GAME. WG balancing this thing based on the theoretical air strike DPM is just proof that they have never actually played this ship. I do like that the guns are consistent in being able to hit things...it's just that the damage output is so very underwhelming. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfswetpaws Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 10 minutes ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said: ESPECIALLY when down or bottom tiered...which has been the case for me in about 60% of my games in her (low population numbers on NA overriding the tier controls, I suspect). The matchmaker must think you are one bad-aft motor-boater to up-tier you so often. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArIskandir Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 33 minutes ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said: The problem is that Haarlem doesn't have the range to take advantage of her tankiness...ESPECIALLY when down or bottom tiered. That's true (that's why I classify them as support ships). Particularly if You lack DD team mates to keep enemy DDs in check. That's a Big problem because it negates the critical advantage of your great Concealment. A signature move for Dutch CAs against BBs (when circumstances are ripe) is creeping close into Airstrike range and opening up with an Air Assault, if You get some fires going and proc a DCP, only then You break your concealment and HE the target until You get some permafires, then You go dark. Rinse and repeat, with some luck it is possible to keep enemies ablaze constantly at little exposure for yourself. The last thing You wish to do is picking fights with other healing Cruisers. They will win the HP tardes so just don't go there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArIskandir Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 32 minutes ago, Wolfswetpaws said: The matchmaker must think you are one bad-aft motor-boater to up-tier you so often. 🙂 I swear there's no ship type more shafted by MM than T8 cruiser, feels like every Match You are bottom tier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 8 hours ago, BOBTHEBALL said: That's good for you, I am here to provide the best builds for people requesting for my help. There are obvious problems with your build and I just pointed them out in a friendly way. Again good for you, just because a ship is bad doesn't mean people can't play it But it isnt a bad ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel_Allan_Clark Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 1 hour ago, Wolfswetpaws said: The matchmaker must think you are one bad-aft motor-boater to up-tier you so often. 🙂 In this case, I think it's just not enough folks driving tier 8 cruisers on NA early in the morning or late at night (which is when I can play). 35 minutes ago, ArIskandir said: That's true (that's why I classify them as support ships). Particularly if You lack DD team mates to keep enemy DDs in check. That's a Big problem because it negates the critical advantage of your great Concealment. A signature move for Dutch CAs against BBs (when circumstances are ripe) is creeping close into Airstrike range and opening up with an Air Assault, if You get some fires going and proc a DCP, only then You break your concealment and HE the target until You get some permafires, then You go dark. Rinse and repeat, with some luck it is possible to keep enemies ablaze constantly at little exposure for yourself. The last thing You wish to do is picking fights with other healing Cruisers. They will win the HP tardes so just don't go there. I've finally started to get the hang of airstrikes with this thing once I learned how to use the zoom in feature to get the overhead view. I'm still clunky with it when trying to come back to ship view though... definitely sailed into torps or islands a few times while trying to adjust the camera view back after sending away planes. 😉 I havent had much luck with getting fires to stick from either the airstrike or the HE on this ship. The gun reload isn't fast enough to actually make getting another fire at the right time consistently to keep someone on fire a practical reality. Often, I find using the AP is a better choice just because it at least gives more consistent damage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArIskandir Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 14 minutes ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said: I havent had much luck with getting fires to stick from either the airstrike or the HE on this ship. The gun reload isn't fast enough to actually make getting another fire at the right time consistently to keep someone on fire a practical reality The trick is getting the Airstrikes going on target to proc the fires and DCP, your guns have Indeed too low RoF to make all the job by themselves reliable. Yes, it's highly RNG dependent so You need to keep rolling that dice as much as You can, that's why these ships are balanced on endurance. The AP is barely good enough on soft targets (it can do nasty things to broadside Cruisers You surprise) but against beefy enemies You need DoT working for You. You'll take forever to chew down a BB just with AP damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArIskandir Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 34 minutes ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said: I'm still clunky with it when trying to come back to ship view though I have binocular zoom mapped to the mouse wheel button. It makes coming in and out and adjusting zoom more 'natural' for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel_Allan_Clark Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 3 hours ago, ArIskandir said: I have binocular zoom mapped to the mouse wheel button. It makes coming in and out and adjusting zoom more 'natural' for me. Me too. Just haven't dialed in how far to move the wheel to go to and from preferred settings yet. It feels like the process I went through to get mouse aiming for my CV planes down to muscle memory level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mashed68 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 I built my Dutch cruisers for AA. All other considerations were secondary to that. I found tier's 8+ very easy to play and get good XP with. Maybe its just because cv's left me alone to actually play the games lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBTHEBALL Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 7 hours ago, Gaelic_knight said: But it isnt a bad ship It is a bad ship 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel_Allan_Clark Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 40 minutes ago, BOBTHEBALL said: It is a bad ship Bad ship or not, the goal is to learn how best to play it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBTHEBALL Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 26 minutes ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said: Bad ship or not, the goal is to learn how best to play it. Stay alive the entire match, use islands and then just drop drop drop all those airstrikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mashed68 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 49 minutes ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said: Bad ship or not, the goal is to learn how best to play it. Its a decent ship, excellent when you want to kill planes. Just stay bow on, use airstrike and concealment as much as possible, only take shots from main guns when you can make it count. If you can't use islands its best to stay with other ships because you'll loose most gun battles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfswetpaws Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 29 minutes ago, BOBTHEBALL said: Stay alive the entire match, use islands and then just drop drop drop all those airstrikes. Bee Gees - Stayin' Alive (Official Music Video) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel_Allan_Clark Posted May 10 Author Share Posted May 10 Finally top tier, and in a double CV / double sub game. Our triple division didn't do so well...and I noted everyone bunched together and ignored the middle cap, so I took it. Overextended to do it, but ended up getting a trio of kills and easily topped my team's scoreboard. Not a lot of damage output, but decently efficient. I probably could have helped win this game if I wasn't as aggressive? 20240509_224538_PHSC108-Haarlem_22_tierra_del_fuego.wowsreplay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 6 hours ago, BOBTHEBALL said: It is a bad ship what ever i say different but you just keep your hopes up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel_Allan_Clark Posted May 10 Author Share Posted May 10 6 minutes ago, Gaelic_knight said: what ever i say different but you just keep your hopes up We don't have to agree if it's a 'good' or 'bad' ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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