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Monmouth
S-584-137 Preliminary Design for a Battleship Cruiser 
This plan provided twelve 16-inch guns, electric drive machinery, and a speed of 30 knots in 
a ship 900 feet long on the waterline, 106 feet in beam, and with a normal displacement of 49,500 tons. 
Princeton
 S-584-096 Battleship 1917 
 This design was similar to that of the Tennessee, two twin and two triple 16-inch gun turrets rather than four triple 14-inch gun turrets. 
This plan provided ten 16-inch guns, electric drive machinery, and 
a speed of 21 knots in a ship 600 feet long on the waterline, 97 feet 6 inches in beam, and with a normal displacement of 33,200 tons. 
Camden
S-584-072 Preliminary Design Plan for a Battle Cruiser 
This plan provides eight 16-inch and twenty 6-inch guns, turbine machinery, and a speed of 29 knots in 
a ship 1063 feet long on the load water line (L.W.L.), 100 feet.in beam, with a normal displacement of 56, 500 tons. 
Bennington
: S-584-081 Incomplete Preliminary Design Plan for a Battle Cruiser 
 This plan provides six 16-inch and fourteen 6-inch guns, turbine machinery, and a speed of 30 knots in 
a ship 725 feet long on the water line, 90 feet in beam, with a normal displacement of 30,000 tons. 
Philidelphia
 S-584-102 Preliminary Design for a Battle Cruiser
 ten 14-inch guns, electric drive machinery, and a speed of 35 knots in 
a ship 850 feet long on the waterline, 90 feet in beam, and with a normal displacement of 33,5
Bunker Hill
Title: Preliminary Design Plan for a Battle Cruiser 
This plan provides eight 14-inch guns, turbine machinery, and a speed of 30 knots in 
a ship 745 feet long on the waterline, 100 feet in beam, and with a normal displacement of 35,500 tons. 

Many countries-built battlecruisers before-during or shortly after the first world war.  These include but are not limited to the U.K, Germany, Japan and the United States.  The purpose of a Battle Cruiser is to have the Fire Power of a Battleship with the speed of a Cruiser.  This blurred the line between Battleships and Cruisers which only became more blurred with the introduction of heavy or super Cruisers like the Alaska.  First War Battleships like the Dreadnought carried twelve-inch guns. 

Latter British and German battleships moved onto 13.5-inch and 14-inch guns while ever increasing the speed of their ships.  Between the wars one and two even more powerful guns were incorporated into new designs including the 15-inch and 16-inch guns all while pushing speed and armor to its limits.  By the end of the battleship's dominance 17-inch and 18-inch had been considered and in the case of the Yamamoto and her sister placed into action.  While we have examples of the first three countries U.K, Germany and Japan why was no American Battle Cruiser built.

The one existing Class the Lexington was like many battle cruisers converted to carriers, as were some British and Japanese Battle Cruisers.  This was because of the Washington treaty which set to limit the arms race developing around the world.  My question is what a battle cruiser line would look like if it had been built by America.  Please help me flush out my idea and forgive my first attempt that was well vomit, gobs of data vomited all over you, thank you for reading and please help me learn and grow.

All but the Bennington place their primary armament in four-gun turrets two front and back using both two-gun turrets and three sometimes using a mix of the two.  The Camden

is a place holder using a battleship design making her hull shorter and squatter then the others which are true battle cruiser designs.  Many of the designs do not talk much about secondary armaments being preliminary designs focusing on balancing fire power, weight and speed over all else.  

The next thing is the often mention through all designs even ones not listed here often flipping between a five and six-inch gun for the secondaries which could be its own kind of fun for American ships.  As for a gimmick i have not come up with one, at the moment i thought about some kind of repair idea given Americas seeming god like ability to get ships back into action, like the British greater heal.  But just as giving it a speed boost or great secondaries would all be moving in another countries turf.

Before i forget to mention all of the ships are named after battles from the American Revolution, maybe i should have named them after ships of the American war of 1812 as the Lexington class was intended.  Ships named after battles then ships named after those ships, for the moment they are just place holder after all.  Anyways given that we already have two lines of American battleships, i see American Battle Cruisers appearing shortly after the heat death of the universe, that's right i am calling it the icy death. 

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The evolution of the Battlecruiser began long ago with the introduction of cannons to naval warfare which in time lead to the ship of the line which was an all-gun design built to hurl as much lead as possible.  Ove time metal replaced wood and turrets were added to allow a ship to focus all of its fire on a single target at almost any point withing reach of the ship.  With that the battleship was born a ship mounting the heaviest weapons made with the best protection in the form of thick armor.  Warships like the Battleship and Battle Cruiser are based on a triangle of speed, armor and armament.  Most ships favor only one or two of these as doing anymore may compromise the design of the ship.  Battleships favor armor and protection often being slower then ships like cruisers.  Battlecruisers attempt to mount the same weapons as a battleship in a longer sleeker hull sacrificing armor to attain greater speeds.

The first battlecruiser is the British the Invincible class and latter Indefatigable class, were armed with 12-inch guns similar to the Dreadnought class battleship.  The Ferst German Battlecruiser the SMS Von der Tann was armed with the similar 11-inch.  Latter German and British Battlecruiser would trail along the battleships with larger guns, Japanese Battlecruiser such as the Amagi and Kongo continued this trend as well with 14-inch and 16-inch guns.  During the interwar period many powers continued the development of the battle cruiser.  The Paris Treaty developed to limit the impact of a growing arms race that dragged not only Japan, America, Europe but also the south American countries.  The increasing size and costs of warship construction along with economic turmoil following the First world war.  

The Americans had many ideas about the future of the battle line heavily armed ships developed from ships of the line that could line up and slug it out in open battle.  After the success of the Great white fleet where sixteen American battleships sailed from December 16, 1907, to February 22, 1909, circumnavigating the world.  There pristine white hulls showed that America was a naval power to take notice of.  The US navy considered many options about its future as a true two ocean navy a vast nation stretching sea to sea needed a large navy.

The fast fleet began not with the Lexington class battle cruiser but the ideas of scout cruiser, battle scouts and earlier battle cruiser designs which like their European counter part were based on the armament of dreadnought class battleships.  Scut and battle cruisers were smaller weaker and cheaper ships unlike battle cruiser mounted even fewer weapons though still comparing to contemporary battleship caliber weapons.  None of these came close to being built as by the point of entry of America into WW1 any participation in the naval conflict would have been negligible.  

The Lexington class was in development for years first following the generation two battlecruisers of Germany and the United Kingdom.  Even France and Austria Hungry became involved in the pursuit of a fast fleet.  Approaching WW2, it became increasingly clear that the battleships time was slowly approaching its end with weapons such as carriers, submarines, bombs and torpedo's.  The thick belt armor of a capital ship itself would have to reach ludicrous thickness in order to protect it from these increasing threats to its very existence.  

The treaty of Paris further set to limit major powers of the time such as the United Kingdom, German, France, Italy, Japan and the United States.  Setting limits on capital ships such as Battleships, Battlecruisers, Cruisers, and carriers.  Many Battlecruisers and battleships that were finished and under construction were converted to carriers, as they would have violated the treaty.  The Lexington fell under this having the Lexington and Saratoga converted to carriers before they were finished leaving America without a single Battlecruiser.

 All fast battle fleet ships designed during the first world war vacillated between five- and six-inch guns these guns would make goo fire starter making it possible for a knife edge American Battlecruiser.  Armed first with perhaps the older 6"/50 caliber Mark 6 and 8 guns these armed the Maine-class and Virginia-class battleships, as well as the Pennsylvania-class and Tennessee-class armored cruisers, they were also used as the main battery on the St. Louis-class protected cruisers.  Theses could be replaced by the 6"/53 caliber Mark 12, 14, 15 and 18 guns which were installed as the primary battery on the Omaha-class cruisers,and were intended for the secondary battery of the never-completed Lexington-class battlecruisers and South Dakota-class battleships.

All ships but the Bennington are armed with four main turrets which has three twin turrets giving her six guns.  The Line starts with 14-inch guns with increasing numbers before switching over to the sixteen-inch gun before again increasing the number of guns.  The Bennington and here sisters are named after Battles of the Revolutionary War, not an uncommon practice in many navies.  Given the unusual size of all ships in the fleet it is of course possible that they could be armed with 18-inch guns which strange having 18-inch primaries and 6-inch secondaries.  

This would make a Truley Stange fleet having relatively low velocity guns they would either hide behind islands or dash out to engage in knife edge battles with cruisers and battleships.  The long history of the battle fleet of battleships and battlecruisers have shown us that speed is power, could stealth be another power a snaky battle cruiser picking of weakened ships.  The Philidelphia class battlecruiser could find a unique niche or perhaps just get lost in the mass of so many other battleship and battlecruiser lines and splits as many have.  

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idea x1 the ultimate ww1 casemate secondary ship, a fusion of

447px-Dante_Alighieri_wows_main.jpg hull mounted casemates, low on the ship

447px-%D0%9A%D0%BD%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8C_%D0 structure mounted casemates, higher in the ships

PJSB010_3380bdb7d6c60cc24049fe143ad795d9like this only more so

 

447px-Prinz_Rupprecht_wows_main.jpgmaybe even up the bet with double and single guns that looked to have been ripped from German carriers

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creating my dream ship, lol

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Monmouth
S-584-137 Preliminary Design for a Battleship Cruiser 
This plan provided twelve 16-inch guns, electric drive machinery, and a speed of 30 knots in 
a ship 900 feet long on the waterline, 106 feet in beam, and with a normal displacement of 49,500 tons. 
Princeton

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Charleston 

S-584-096 Battleship 1917 
 This design was similar to that of the Tennessee, two twin and two triple 16-inch gun turrets rather than four triple 14-inch gun turrets. 
This plan provided ten 16-inch guns, electric drive machinery, and 
a speed of 21 knots in a ship 600 feet long on the waterline, 97 feet 6 inches in beam, and with a normal displacement of 33,200 tons. 

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Camden
S-584-072 Preliminary Design Plan for a Battle Cruiser 
This plan provides eight 16-inch and twenty 6-inch guns, turbine machinery, and a speed of 29 knots in 
a ship 1063 feet long on the load water line (L.W.L.), 100 feet.in beam, with a normal displacement of 56, 500 tons. 

 

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Oriskany
S-584-094 Battleship 1916
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Bennington
: S-584-081 Incomplete Preliminary Design Plan for a Battle Cruiser 
 This plan provides six 16-inch and fourteen 6-inch guns, turbine machinery, and a speed of 30 knots in 
a ship 725 feet long on the water line, 90 feet in beam, with a normal displacement of 30,000 tons. 

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Philidelphia
 S-584-102 Preliminary Design for a Battle Cruiser
 ten 14-inch guns, electric drive machinery, and a speed of 35 knots in 
a ship 850 feet long on the waterline, 90 feet in beam, and with a normal displacement of 33,5

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 S-584-82/3 Bunker Hill
Title: Preliminary Design Plan for a Battle Cruiser 
This plan provides eight 14-inch guns, turbine machinery, and a speed of 30 knots in 
a ship 745 feet long on the waterline, 100 feet in beam, and with a normal displacement of 35,500 tons.

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