Why Would Any New Player Continue Past Tier 5?

[Guest]

In the past moving up to T5 was a challenge because you faced better players and beter ships at Tier 7 and that's it. Now when a player, who has been fighting bots and other new guys hits tier 5, he not only has the same old challenge of facing tier 7, he also faces a class that is at best described as not really part of the game he has been playing. When a baseball player goes from the minors to the majors, he faces better players, he doesn't face a completely new game that forces him to relearn everything he knows about the game. People say things like "they should watch Youtube and learn"...in the real world who the hell has time for that? You get a few hours after work to maybe unwind and play a game and if the learning curve is too steep and the game you already invested some time in radically changes, the average person is going to walk away

[Daniel_Allan_Clark]

34 minutes ago, Wolfswetpaws said:

That's your opinion, and as such it is valid for you.  🙂 

I'll add something as food for thought, playing StarCraft (I & II) prepared me for the RTS play environment of RTS CV's.

Yes!

That's a much better comparison. StarCraft was my intro to RTS way back in the day.

[OldSchoolGaming_Youtube]

37 minutes ago, Wolfswetpaws said:

I politely disagree.  🙂

For me, playing RTS CV's was like a fast-paced game of Chess with all the pieces being able to move simultaneously.

The "consumables" being more like arcade-game power-ups.  Is it "real life"?  Nope.
But, it is "in-game" and it is published information which players can learn about and adapt to and then apply to their game-play.
Adapt, improvise, overcome, eh?  🙂 

You reference the Band of Brothers movie and infantry maneuvers.
Which simply reminds me of my earlier comment about WOWs being a lot like paintball.  🙂 

 

I think I must have misunderstood your previous post, I thought you said this was a bit like military tactics and I think its not. Playing RTS CVs might have been like chess, I never played them myself before this year, but that is still one "broken" class in a old mode that doesn't exist any more (RTS). 

I was actually quite intrigued when I started playing this game in 20125 because it almost looked like a chess/military strategy game for me, but I soon realized it had nothing to do with either of those. Its just gimmicks, OP/unbalanced ships/classes and Pay2Win and the "Top tiers" is filled with bot like hoomans that will result in 5-6 min steamrolls in 80% of all matches. So not that much to get from that. Sometimes youre on the steamroll side and sometimes your on the side getting it.

Onle reason I still play is Sunk cost fallacy. Invested a lot during 2015-2019 so now days I get a ton of free ships just by playing casually. Just this month I picked up Napoli and Vampire 2 for free and december will be U-4501.

But I would NEVER EVER start to play this game as a new player in 2023.

 

Also switching form DD Main to Sub Main means that 90% of all BS in this game doesnt effect you anymore, which helps a lot.

[OldSchoolGaming_Youtube]

28 minutes ago, Type_93 said:

It’s a good thing everything you said is opinion. We all get the same games. Most players just deal with things and get better. Sure, being focused by 2 CVs is frustrating, but it’s not every game. 3 subs in a match? Hardly ever.  You seem angry to the point that you should take a break from the game. You’re not doing anyone any favors by spreading negativity like that. New players are going to learn to play the game the way it is, not how you want it to be. The will learn how to deal with CVs and subs because they have to. That the game now. Just because you are burnt out and bitter does t mean a new player won’t love the game just like you did when you first started playing.  

Im just voicing my opinion, thought that was the main purpose of a forum (I might be wrong). If you have another opinion ... great, then voice that. Im actually not that bitter anymore. I Play mainly subs and get free ships from WG almost every month so its pretty awesome I have to say. But if someone askes the question about why EVER play high tiers I will of course voice my opinion about it (freedom of speech and all that). 

 

We can't all be WG puppets you know! Also, I do believe there is an "Ignore" function in the forum, I use it quite a lot.

[Admiral_Karasu]

1 hour ago, Ensign Cthulhu said:

The frustrating part of the Amagi as it then was is that you had to research the B hull before you could research the GFCS module, something WG has corrected since, in multiple ships across multiple nations (all progression of modules is now linear within their own category). 
 

 

WG sure 'fixed' that one, like they 'fixed' the historical Bayern...

[Type_93]

1 hour ago, OldSchoolGaming_Youtube said:

We can't all be WG puppets you know! Also, I do believe there is an "Ignore" function in the forum, I use it quite a lot.

You do you man. I personally wouldn’t ignore anyone on the forums. It’s a public discourse on subjects we all have thoughts on, but to ignore someone just because those thoughts differ isn’t very healthy. We can’t all be open to other ideas I guess. Too bad. 

[Verytis]

Higher tiers often place more control in your hands. You will punish opponent's mistakes much harder, but it also means the same can be done to you.

 

New players are ironically in a better position to adapt to newer classes such as reworked CV and Subs.

They're not hampered by outdated knowledge and thinking. But only if they don't fall into the mindset of being powerless, which some old players are actually encouraging.

 

[Wulf_Ace]

there is like 1 game on 100 games where sub is anoying and that is only when its in the hands of a player with actual brain.

So all this crying is damn anoying.

[Type_93]

[Arcus_Aesopi]

It's a shame that someone having a bad gaming experience is being told to "get good" and that it could ONLY be the fault of the player.  I am not surprised to see this unhelpful tone will continue from the old forums.

This game has problems.  Ignoring that in a chorus of insulting commentary is, of course, typical of online gaming.

The saddest part is that most folks commenting have good and helpful suggestions that just end up buried in unnecessary snark.

"Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace unto the hearers."  Ephesians 4:29

Fair winds and following seas.

[Type_93]

4 minutes ago, Arcusaesopi said:

It's a shame that someone having a bad gaming experience is being told to "get good" and that it could ONLY be the fault of the player.  I am not surprised to see this unhelpful tone will continue from the old forums.

This game has problems.  Ignoring that in a chorus of insulting commentary is, of course, typical of online gaming.

The saddest part is that most folks commenting have good and helpful suggestions that just end up buried in unnecessary snark.

"Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace unto the hearers."  Ephesians 4:29

Fair winds and following seas.

Players have more situational awareness  and taking responsibility for their own actions in a match would fix a lot of “WG’s problems”. 

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, Type_93 said:

Players have more situational awareness  and taking responsibility for their own actions in a match would fix a lot of “WG’s problems”. 

You are all forgetting one thing. It's a GAME. People tend to play games to have fun or relax. Most new players trying out this game because they like historical warships or whatever aren't interested in all the things that fascinate many of you....overmatch...13mm this and that...watching hours of videos to learn to deal with a bad gaming meta. No, most normal working people or students will weigh their options and walk away to more "fun and engaging" games, rather than put in all the effort to learn to defeat a very annoying enemy who they can't even see. If a player wants a "challenge" play survivor mode of Last Of Us or something. At least there at max difficulty you don't have to learn an entirely new enemy that doesn't play by the same rules as the rest of the game. 

[Verblonde]

2 hours ago, Kalishnikat said:

he also faces a class that is at best described as not really part of the game he has been playing.

For clarity, I despise the current submarine implementation, and would cheerfully cover whoever's idea it was' Joy Department in strawberry jam and throw them on a nearby ill-tempered ant-heap.

That said, this has more or less always been the case - essentially - only now it's two classes, rather than just one. First you meet the CVs at T4 (often more than one of them), which are a threat unlike anything before that point, and then it's the damn submarines at T6.

Whilst in many respects they are clearly illegitimate sons of pine cone salesmen, WG have - in fairness - done a reasonably good job of adding stuff in to the game in a layered way, provided you don't rush up the tiers.

To answer the original 'why would a new player stick around?' question, it's perhaps worth recalling that new players don't know any different (plus, of course, a sub-set will be griefers who actually like submarines in the present form). We old lags may or may not find the submarines ruin the game (they've driven me out of Randoms, for instance), but they represent a drastic change for us as we remember what things were like before; for a newbie, it's always been this way...

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Wulf_Ace said:

there is like 1 game on 100 games where sub is anoying and that is only when its in the hands of a player with actual brain.

So all this crying is damn anoying.

Again, your opinion as to what or what is not "annoying" is entirely subjective. 

[Wulf_Ace]

1 minute ago, Kalishnikat said:

Again, your opinion as to what or what is not "annoying" is entirely subjective. 

LOL isnt you topic subjective, beacouse I dont see any objective things in it.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Wulf_Ace said:

LOL isnt you topic subjective, beacouse I dont see any objective things in it.

Yes it is, however it is backed up by the opinions of a majority of players who despise subs and CVs for that matter. Both special protected classes that play by an entirely different set of rules than the rest of the players. 

[Utt_Bugglier]

22 minutes ago, Kalishnikat said:

 By the way, spell check is your friend.

So are statistics.

22 minutes ago, Kalishnikat said:

Yes it is, however it is backed up by the opinions of a majority of players who despise subs and CVs for that matter.

Yet you present NONE.

[Guest]

Ok...no more sharing of my opinions here. It's devolved into the old forum/reddit very quickly.

 

[Type_93]

9 minutes ago, Kalishnikat said:

Ok...no more sharing of my opinions here. It's devolved into the old forum/reddit very quickly.

 

Sharing opinions is fine, but your getting all your aft hull section in dock for repairs because no one thinks your opinion is valid. 

[Sailor_Moon]

6 hours ago, Wolfswetpaws said:

The world has bigger problems.

Well geez....can't fault that one!

[Sailor_Moon]

3 hours ago, OldSchoolGaming_Youtube said:

Onle reason I still play is Sunk cost fallacy.

Another thing too is the simple fact that there just aren't that many similar-quality games like WoWs out there. War Thunder Naval is probably the closest thing, but it has its OWN set of issues, maybe even moreso than WoWs itself. And sure, there's the Remastered mod for Battlestations Pacific (great game!), but....it's not team-based combat, per se. Now if we could get that game remastered officially and stuff, new engine and nowadays graphics, with a wide variety of ships to choose from....sure 😄

So here I am, still in WoWs, even with all its cracks and blemishes. At its core it's STILL a solid game, but it can be better. Basically:

Edited October 24, 2023 by Sailor_Moon

[Sailor_Moon]

28 minutes ago, Kalishnikat said:

Ok...no more sharing of my opinions here. It's devolved into the old forum/reddit very quickly.

 

Don't worry about it, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose when it comes to voicing your opinions! For instance, a LOT of people think likewise that California needs buffs, right? The evidence supports it for double sure. BUT on the flipside, a LOT of people seem to be up against my idea of slightly adjusting German secondary range for Tier VII ships because I felt the range progression gap (2km!!!) was too large...so it is what it is! People all have different opinions, whether right or wrong. And we all have to accept that and work together to come to compromises and understand each other's positions on things. That's how mafia progress works.

Edited October 24, 2023 by Sailor_Moon

[Daniel_Allan_Clark]

2 hours ago, Verytis said:

Higher tiers often place more control in your hands. You will punish opponent's mistakes much harder, but it also means the same can be done to you.

No.

At lower tiers, you have more time to rescue your teammates from their poor choices. At high tier, those guys die really quickly.

23 minutes ago, Type_93 said:

Sharing opinions is fine, but your getting all your aft hull section in dock for repairs because no one thinks your opinion is valid. 

Claiming that people's opinions have to be valid to be shared or appreciated is incredibly toxic.

This is NOT YOUR FORUM. You are NOT THE ARBITER OF TRUTH.

Have some respect for fellow customers. Don't mimic WG staff.

[ArIskandir]

12 hours ago, Kalishnikat said:

You're playing the game at tiers 3 and 4 and you think, "Hey this is kinda fun"...then you hit tier 5 with 3 subs per side.

Some of the most fun I had with this game was hunting Submarines... mental games at its best. I recommend giving the experience a chance and embracing the change in playstyle.

 

Cheers.

[Wulf_Ace]

1 hour ago, Kalishnikat said:

Yes it is, however it is backed up by the opinions of a majority of players who despise subs and CVs for that matter. Both special protected classes that play by an entirely different set of rules than the rest of the players. By the way, spell check is your friend.

So all subjective opinions?

I really dont care about spell check , beacouse guess what we are all not from english speaking area.